Florida Building Commission

Education POC Minutes

June 3, 2013

Tallahassee, Florida

 

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Education POC Objectives

Ø To approve June 3, 2013 Agenda

Ø To approve April 8, 2013 Meeting Minutes

Ø To review/decide pending accreditor applications

Ø To review/decide accredited advanced courses

Ø To review/decide administratively approved updated courses

Ø To review/decide self affirmed updated courses

Ø To review/discuss Education Administrator activity report

Ø To identify future POC member discussion items

Ø To discuss general public comment

Ø To identify needed next steps, assignments, and agenda items for next meeting

 

Education POC Meeting Minutes— June 3, 2013

All Agenda Times—Including Adjournment—Are Approximate and Subject to Change

10:00 a.m. EST

1.)

Welcome and Opening, Roll Call

POC Members Present: Nanette Dean, (Chair), Jon Hamrick, Herminio Gonzalez, Ken Gregory, Kevin Flanagan

POC Member(s) Absent: Jeffrey Stone PhD, Drew Smith

Meeting Attendees Identified:

Ila Jones                     Jim Hammers

Cam Fentriss              Med Kopczynski                                                         

Michael Clark             Larry Schneider

            April Hammonds        Robert Lorenzo

             Jim Richmond           Patrick Spook

 

           

 

 

2.)

Review and approval of the June 3, 2013 meeting Agenda

Motion: To approve as submitted

Motion: Ken Gregory

Second: Kevin Flanagan

Approved Unanimously

 

 

3.)

Review and approval of April 8, 2013 meeting Minutes (Link)

Motion: To approve as submitted

Motion: Ken Gregory

Second: Kevin Flanagan

Approved Unanimously

 

 

4.)

Review pending accreditor applications for recommendation to the Commission

None Pending

 

 

 

5.)

Review pending advanced accredited courses for recommendation to the Commission

Course: 2010 Advanced Module: Private Provider Inspections

Provider: Edward Renzi

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 593.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Ken Gregory

Second: Jon Hamrick

Discussion: None.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FACBC and ADA Accessibility Standards for Medical/Hospital Facilities-Advanced

Provider: Larry Schneider AIA

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 594.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Staff asked for approval to add “2010” to the course title, and the POC approved. Larry Schneider asked if the education rule required that the year 2010 be part of the titles of all advanced courses. He stated that he was not sure if it was required. The FBC General Counsel April Hammonds stated that it was required and cited the applicable rule reference, which is rule 61G20-6.002 (4) (h), Florida Administrative Code.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Advanced FBC: Plumbing

Provider: Engineer Educators

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 584.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: None.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Permits, Plans, Inspections, and Occupancy Classification Advanced Module

Provider: Training Licensing Center, Inc.

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS Course Number: 567.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Michael Clark, the Education Administrator, stated that the approval for this course was deferred at the April 2 ED POC meeting. Since the deferral, the provider did add a multiple choice exam with answers, did add both Florida specific subsections to the E-Occupancy slide (#18), and did add origination information regarding a Permit Form and Notice of Commencement. As a result, the provider fulfilled the requirements of the ED POC for this course to be approved.

Approved Unanimously

 

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Accessibility Code Overview

Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction, Inc.

Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises Inc.)

BCIS Course Number: 564.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Michael Clark, the Education Administrator, stated that the approval for this course was deferred at the April 2 ED POC meeting. Since the deferral, the provider has removed language from the syllabus which stated that participants would complete “various exercises” to verify understanding of content. As a result, the provider fulfilled the requirements of the ED POC for this course to be approved.

Commissioner Hamrick recommended that approval for this course remain deferred because the syllabus stated that a workbook be given to participants, which was not included in the materials reviewed by the POC. The provider of this course, Mr. Joe Rebuck, stated that the workbook was to be only a print out copy of the PowerPoint slides, which was reviewed by the POC. Commissioner Hamrick changed his recommendation from deferral to approval.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Florida’s Advanced Energy Code

Provider: FRSA-Fl. Roofing, Sheet Metal, Air Cond. Contractor’s Assn.

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 575.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: None.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Navigating Miami-Dade NOAs and Florida Product Approvals

Provider: FRSA-Fl. Roofing, Sheet Metal, Air Cond. Contractor’s Assn.

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 588.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Michael Clark, the Education Administrator, stated that the word “Advanced” was not in the title, which came directly from the BCIS description of the course. However, “Advanced” was correctly included in the title of all of the course materials. He went on to say that the accreditor notified him by email and phone (within the course submission deadline period) that “advanced” was not in the title. Mr. Clark told the accreditor he would look into it to correct it before the deadline date, and subsequently did not follow through with the accreditor. In summary, it was the Education Administrator’s fault it was not corrected before the deadline date.  The POC approved the correction.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 ADA Standards for Accessibility With Updates: Advanced Building Code Course

Provider: American Society of Landscape Architects Florida Chapter

Accreditor: Larry Schneider AIA

BCIS Course Number: 583.0

Motion: Course conditionally approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content and until slide # 35 is modified to depict all signs with correct information.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Commissioner Hamrick stated that all of the depicted signs on slide 35, except for one, were incorrect because they did not have the fine listed on the signs. He also said he was unclear about how the course was going to be evaluated. Larry Schneider , the course accreditor, stated that the course evaluation was a standard 5 question evaluation form that is required by and used for all of the Board of Landscape Architecture courses. He also agreed with Commissioner Hamrick that the signs were incorrect, but that they were included as part of the instructional discussion as to what information should be included on these types of signs and to illustrate what is still allowed as installed before a certain date. Commissioner Hamrick stated that he felt the slide was unclear as to its instructional intent. Larry Schneider stated that he would work with the provider to modify the slide to depict all signs with only correct information.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Dealing With Floodplains

Provider: Building Officials Association of Florida

Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises Inc.)

BCIS Course Number: 572.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Commissioner Hamrick stated that he had a couple of comments about the course, which should not interfere with the course being approved. He stated that a drawn line on slide #172 did not connect clearly between words, and that he found a typographical error on slide # 175.

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Applying the Existing Building Code

Provider: Building Officials Association of Florida

Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises Inc.)

BCIS Course Number: 570.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Michael Clark, the Education Administrator, stated that in the course outline, it is written that the course is 2 hours long, but has 4 hours listed on one of the lines, which needs to be changed.

Approved Unanimously

 

 

 

 

6.)

 

Review administratively approved updated course for recommendation to the Commission

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code Principals

Provider: CE Resources LLC

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 421.3

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: None.

Approved Unanimously

 

 

7.)

Review administratively approved self affirmed updated course for recommendation to the Commission

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Backflow Prevention Internet Course 1 Hour

Provider: Contractor’s Continuing Education Systems, LLC

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 317.1

Motion: Course approval deferred based on the lack of inclusion of a quiz and answers.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Discussion: Michael Clark, the Education Administrator, stated that the approval for this course was deferred at the April 2 ED POC meeting. Since the deferral, the provider did change all of the 2007 code date references to 2010. However, as was stated as included in the syllabus, a quiz and answers were missing from the materials.

Approved Unanimously

 

 

 

 

 

8.)

 

 

Education Administrator Activity Report

 

 

Discussion: Cam Fentriss stated that there were few public inquiries, all of which are listed in the report. She also stated that providers need to know that their FBC training provider status is tied to their provider status with one or more of the DBPR licensing boards. This means that if their DBPR status expires, then their FBC provider status expires in the BCIS.

She also reminded providers that FBC approved advanced courses remain valid until the effective date of a new Florida Building Code edition. She furthered explained what steps providers should take regarding their courses before the effective date of a new code.

Med Kopczynski stated that some providers are not clear regarding the conditions related to when a course expires. He also said that some providers think that a course expires only with a code change, not aware that it expires also if the rule or statute changes.

Cam also asked providers/accreditors that if they had any ideas about needed courses, to please contact her via email.

 

FBC Education Administrator Report                         May 28, 2013

 

A. Provided administrative support for FBC Education POC for April 2 and 8, 2013 meetings

B. Drafted minutes for FBC Education POC April 2, 2013 meeting

C. Prepared agenda for FBC Education POC meeting on June 3, 2013 meeting

 D. Inquiries from the public March 26, 2013 to May 26, 2013 as follows:

 

19 inquiries:    8 telephone;    10 e-mail;    1 telephone and email

 

Category of inquirers:

12 Provider   2 Consumer   4 Modular building contractor    1 Architect

 

Types of Inquiries:

5 Provider approval/renewal                          1 Sun porch construction

4 Modular building webinar                             1 Pool barrier requirements

2 BCIS access/password                                1 Architect CE course availability

2 FBC Ed POC training meeting                    2 Course approval/expiration

1 Accreditor response

 

E. FBC Training Provider Expiration – There is no requirement to renew your status as an FBC training provider, but this status is tied to your approval (or expiration) as a provider for one or more of the DBPR licensing boards. If your DBPR licensing board provider status expires, then your FBC training provider status will also expire on BCIS. Please ensure that your provider status with any of the DBPR licensing boards does not expire, but if it does, please check your FBC training provider status.

 

F. FBC Advanced Course Expiration - FBC approved advanced courses remain valid until the effective date of a new Florida Building Code edition. Before the effective date of a new code edition, you will need to access each course on the BCIS system and take one of three affirmative steps:

- Revise the course (for which accreditation of the changes is required)

- Revise the course for ONE change (administrative approval, FBC ratification)

- Indicate the course has been reviewed and no change is necessary

 

A thorough review, including references to code editions and code sections, of each course is important to ensure that a course will be both current and correct.

 

 

9.)

Identify future POC member discussion items

No future discussion items were given.

 

 

10.)

General public comment

No public comment was given.

 

 

11.)

Summary and review of meeting work products and adoption of recommendations for submittal to the commission

 

Recommended Commission Actions

 

The Education POC considered and recommends the following:

 

The following new courses are recommended for APPROVAL:

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Module: Private Provider Inspections

Provider: Edward Renzi

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 593.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Ken Gregory

Second: Jon Hamrick

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FACBC and ADA Accessibility Standards for Medical/Hospital Facilities-Advanced

Provider: Larry Schneider AIA

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 594.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Advanced FBC: Plumbing

Provider: Engineer Educators

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 584.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Permits, Plans, Inspections, and Occupancy Classification Advanced Module

Provider: Training Licensing Center, Inc.

Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh

BCIS Course Number: 567.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Accessibility Code Overview

Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction, Inc.

Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises Inc.)

BCIS Course Number: 564.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Florida’s Advanced Energy Code

Provider: FRSA-Fl. Roofing, Sheet Metal, Air Cond. Contractor’s Assn.

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 575.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Navigating Miami-Dade NOAs and Florida Product Approvals

Provider: FRSA-Fl. Roofing, Sheet Metal, Air Cond. Contractor’s Assn.

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 588.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 ADA Standards for Accessibility With Updates: Advanced Building Code Course

Provider: American Society of Landscape Architects Florida Chapter

Accreditor: Larry Schneider AIA

BCIS Course Number: 583.0

Motion: Course conditionally approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content and until slide # 35 is modified to depict all signs with correct information.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Dealing With Floodplains

Provider: Building Officials Association of Florida

Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises Inc.)

BCIS Course Number: 572.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Applying the Existing Building Code

Provider: Building Officials Association of Florida

Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises Inc.)

BCIS Course Number: 570.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

 

The following administratively approved updated course is recommended for APPROVAL:

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code Principals

Provider: CE Resources LLC

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 421.3

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

 

The following administratively approved self-affirmed no change course is recommended for APPROVAL:

 

Course: 2010 Advanced Backflow Prevention Internet Course 1 Hour

Provider: Contractor’s Continuing Education Systems, LLC

Accreditor: BCIC LLC

BCIS Course Number: 317.1

Motion: Course approval deferred based on the lack of inclusion of a quiz and answers.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

 

12.)

Adjourn

Adjourn (Adjourned at 10:28 am.)

Motion: To adjourn

Motion: Herminio Gonzalez

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Staff Contact: Michael Clark (Building A Safer Florida, Inc.); mrcconsulting@earthlink.net; 850.545.1451

 

 

Committee Membership and Meeting Schedule

 

 

Education POC Membership

Member

Representation

Nanette Dean

Manufactured Buildings, Chair

Kevin Flanagan

Electrical Contractor

Jon Hamrick

Public Education

Herminio Gonzalez

Code Official

Ken Gregory

Swimming Pool Contractor

Drew Smith

Green Building Industry

Jeffrey Stone PhD

Building Product Manufacturer

 

Staff

April Hammonds

Legal Advisor

Jim Hammers

Technical Support

Cam Fentriss

Administrative (Building A Safer Florida, Inc.)

Facilitator

Michael Clark

(Building A Safer Florida, Inc.)

 

 

2013 POC Meeting Schedule

I.

January 28, 2013 (10:00 AM EST)

Tallahassee and via teleconference

II.

April 2, 2013 (10:00 AM EST)

Tallahassee and via teleconference

III.

June 3, 2013 (10:00 AM EST)

Tallahassee and via teleconference

IV.

August 15, 2013 (10:00 AM EST)

Tallahassee and via teleconference

V.

October 10, 2013 (10:00 AM EST)

Tallahassee and via teleconference

VI.

December 5, 2013 (10:00 AM EST)

Tallahassee and via teleconference

 

 

2013 Course Application Deadline Schedule

 

Meeting Date

Application Submittal Deadline

I.

January 28, 2013 Meeting

January 12, 2013

II.

April 2, 2013 Meeting

March 16, 2013

III.

June 3, 2013 Meeting

May 18, 2013

IV.

August 15, 2013

July 30, 2013

V.

October 10, 2013

September 24, 2013

VI.

December 5, 2013

November 19, 2013

 

Note: This document is available in alternate formats upon request to the Department of Business and professional regulation, codes and standards, Room 90, 1940 North Monroe St.,Tallahassee, Fl., 850.717.1838.