Florida Building Commission
Education POC Meeting Minutes
Tallahassee, Florida
Meeting
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Date: Tuesday, April 2, 2013
Time: 10:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Site: Room 90, Building Codes & Standards
Florida Department
of Business & Professional Regulation
1940 North Monroe Street
Tallahassee,
Florida 32399
Meeting
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Education POC Objectives |
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Ø To
approve April 2 2013 Agenda Ø To
approve January 28 2013 Meeting Minutes Ø
To review/decide pending accreditor
applications Ø
To review/decide accredited advanced courses Ø
To review/decide administratively approved
updated courses Ø
To review/decide self affirmed updated courses Ø
To review/discuss Education Administrator
activity report Ø
To identify future POC member discussion items Ø
To discuss general public comment Ø
To identify needed next steps, assignments,
and agenda items for next meeting |
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Education POC Meeting Minutes— April 2, 2013 |
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All Agenda Times—Including
Adjournment—Are Approximate and Subject to Change |
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10:00
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1.) |
Welcome and Opening, Roll Call POC Members Present: Nanette
Dean (Chair), Jeffrey Stone PhD, Jon Hamrick, Ken Gregory, Kevin
Flanagan POC Member(s) Absent: Drew
Smith, Herminio Gonzalez Meeting
Attendees Identified: Cam
Fentriss Michael Clark April
Hammonds
Jim Hammers |
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2.) |
Review and approval of the April 2, 2013
meeting Agenda Motion: To
approve as submitted Motion: Jeffrey
Stone Second: Kevin
Flanagan Approved Unanimously |
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3.) |
Review and approval of January 28, 2013
meeting Minutes Motion: To
approve as submitted Motion: Jeffrey
Stone Second: Ken
Gregory Approved Unanimously |
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4.) |
Review pending accreditor
applications for recommendation to the Commission None Pending |
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5.) |
Review pending advanced accredited
courses for recommendation to the Commission Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Accessibility Code
Overview Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction, Inc. Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises,
Inc.) BCIS Course Number: 564.0 Motion: Course approval deferred based
on the lack of inclusion of various student exercises, which were noted in
the syllabus to be used to verify student understanding of the course
content. Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Discussion: Commissioner Hamrick moved that this
course be denied. The Chair asked if “denied” were the only option to be used
for this course. Cam Fentriss stated that the course could be deferred, until
the next FBC meeting. April Hammonds stated that her preference would be to
defer approval for this course, versus deny approval. Her reason was that if
the course was denied, the provider may need to appeal under Chapter 120 or
start the application process again from the start, rather than if the course
was simply deferred. As a result, Commissioner Hamrick changed his motion to
course deferral. Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code – Permits
& Inspections Provider: Construction Estimating Institute Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 566.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Discussion: None. Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced FBC Grounding Services Provider: Jake Leahy’s Electrical Code Connection Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 569.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Discussion: None. Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Accessibility Code
Overview – Internet Version Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction, Inc. Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises,
Inc.) BCIS Course Number: 565.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Discussion: None. Approved Unanimously Course: Permits, Plans, Inspections, and Occupancy
Classification Advanced Module Provider: Training Licensing Center, Inc. Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 567.0 Motion: Course approval deferred based
on the lack of inclusion of a multiple choice exam and answers, the inclusion
of a Permit Form and Notice of Commencement Form without information about
origin (since these are not code related), and the lack of provision of two
Florida specific sub-sections on the E-Occupancy slide (18). Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Discussion: None. Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Building Code Module Provider: School of Construction Management, Inc. Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 573.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Discussion: None. Approved Unanimously |
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6.) |
Review administratively approved
updated courses for recommendation to the Commission Course: 2010 Advanced FBC Enforcement and Education Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 170.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Discussion: None Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 175.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Discussion: None Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced FBC The Florida Building
Commission Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 178.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Kevin Flanagan Discussion: None Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced FBC Permits and Application Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 173.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Discussion: None Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 176.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Discussion: None Approved Unanimously |
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Review administratively approved
self affirmed updated courses for recommendation to the Commission Course: Advanced Backflow Prevention Internet Course 1
Hour Provider: Contractor’s Continuing Education Systems, LLC Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 317.1 Motion: Course approval deferred based
on the citing of the 2007 version of the Florida Building Code instead of the
2010 version, both on the course syllabus and on numerous slides throughout
the actual course materials. Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Kevin Flanagan Discussion: None Approved Unanimously Course: Advanced (ADV) Field Marking Electrical
Equipment, Internet Provider: JADE Learning Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 484.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content. Note: Cam Fentriss noted that since this is a
revised course, it should not be “.0” and said that she will research whether
this technical correction needs to be made.
This does not affect the approval or not of the course. Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Discussion: None Approved Unanimously |
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Education Administrator Activity
Report Discussion: Cam Fentriss
stated that there were twenty two public inquiries. She reminded everyone of
the training grant money that is available for both association and energy
related training. She also noted that on April 8th another Education POC
meeting will be held from 10:00 am until noon, at the physical site of the
FBC meeting in St. Augustine. She further stated that presentations will be
made for the benefit of the POC members, training providers, and accreditors
covering content areas such as the accreditation process, rule
requirements for course content and accreditor review, provider and
accreditor responsibilities, and common mistakes found after course
application is submitted and accredited. She stated that this may be a
refresher for some, and that she is hopeful many providers and accreditors
will attend. Commissioner Stone stated that he
wanted accreditors to comment on the accreditation process. He further stated
that the process to approve courses took a long time from a provider’s
perspective, and he wondered if there was a way that the education
administrator could discover mistakes sooner to speed up the approval
process. He further stated that we definitely needed to discuss this matter. April Hammonds stated that it is
the accreditor’s job to catch any mistakes related to content in the training
materials. She stated that accreditors are providing a service to providers
and that it is important that both providers and accreditors attend the
training session on April 8th. She further stated that if accreditors do not
correctly perform course reviews but accredit courses, then possible action
may be taken regarding an accreditor’s approval with the FBC. Commissioner Hamrick stated that
he appreciated Ms. Hammonds’ comments and went on to say that accreditors
need to know exactly their duties and be held to that standard. April Hammonds stated that she felt
it important to read into the record the relevant language in rule
61G20-6.002, Florida Administrative Code, as follows: (2) Revocation of approval as an accreditor. (a) Any accreditor shall have his/her approval status revoked for
any of the following reasons: 3. Failure to effectively and/or accurately accredit courses,
specifically relating to the correctness of the course building code content
references; (3) Training Provider Registration and
Requirements. (d) Upon submittal by a training provider, the
selected accreditor shall receive an e-mail notification from the
Building Code Information System and
shall review the materials provided by the provider in accordance with the
criteria identified herein. The accreditor shall complete the application by
providing comments containing the results of the accreditor’s review and
approving or denying accreditation of the course on the Building Code
Information System. An accreditor may not approve for accreditation a course
application that is not complete and accurate as specified in subsection (4).
The accreditor shall also provide a certification of independence that
attests the person or entity does not have, nor does it intend to acquire or
will acquire, a financial interest in the training provider seeking
accreditation. Commissioner Stone stated that if
he could communicate with providers outside of the Ed POC meetings regarding
what he finds during his course reviews that the process might speed up
regarding course approvals. April Hammonds restated that it is
the responsibility of the accreditor to make sure that the course materials
are up to date and correct, which is why they should be attending the
training session on April 8th. Cam Fentriss stated that the
education administrator worked with both providers and accreditors, many
times at the last minute, to try to correct mistakes discovered during the
education administrator and ED POC review of the course materials. She stated
that this activity became extremely unwieldy because it was happening at the
last minute and too often did not leave enough time for POC member re-review
of materials before the FBC Plenary session. The Chair asked for other
discussion, with none forthcoming. FBC Education Administrator
Report March 26, 2013 A. Provided administrative support for FBC Education
POC for January 11 and 28, 2013 meetings B. Drafted minutes for FBC Education POC January 28,
2013 meeting C. Prepared agenda for FBC
Education POC meeting on April 2, 2013 meeting D. Inquiries from the public January 21, 2013 to March 25, 2013
as follows: 22 inquiries: 7 telephone; 14 e-mail; 1 telephone and email Category of inquirers: 12 Provider 1
Building official 2 Public 1 Contractor 2 Attorney 1
Charter school operator 3 Engineer Types of Inquiries: 10 Course status 1 Code update 1 Manufactured building plans 1 Mobile home code 2 Applicable local code 4 Provider expiration 1 Pool safety requirements 1 Finding accreditor 1 Accessibility waiver E. We have training grant money available
generally described here: Association training: (note: if interested in this grant money,
please contact us to “reserve” funds) -- Advanced codes courses -- $40.00 per hour per attendee for first hour -- $35.00 per hour per attendee for each hour after the first hour -- Maximum of 50 persons per training session -- Total of $230,000 available, first come, first served Energy training: -- Specified courses (FBC courses, already developed and approved) -- Must be delivered by instructors who have had FSEC
train-the-trainer -- $25.98 per attendee for 2.5 hours of training -- Persons trained must be contractors or building officials (for
grant funding) -- Total of $100,000 available, first come, first served F. FBC Education POC will have an in-person training meeting on
Monday, April 8, 2013, from 10:00 a.m. to Noon at World Golf Village,
Renaissance Hotel, 500 South Legacy Trail, St. Augustine, Florida 32092.
Topics for discussion (more may be included): explanation of accreditation
process, rule requirements for course content and accreditor review, provider
and accreditor responsibilities, and common mistakes found after course application
is submitted and accredited. |
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9.) |
Identify future POC member
discussion items None were identified |
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General public comment No public comment was given. |
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Summary and review of meeting work products
and adoption of recommendations for submittal to the commission Recommended Commission Actions
The Education POC considered and recommends the following: The following new courses are recommended for APPROVAL: Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Accessibility Code
Overview Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction, Inc. Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises,
Inc.) BCIS Course Number: 564.0 Motion: Course approval deferred based
on the lack of inclusion of various student exercises, which were noted in
the syllabus to be used to verify student understanding of the course
content. Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code – Permits
& Inspections Provider: Construction Estimating Institute Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 566.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced FBC Grounding Services Provider: Jake Leahy’s Electrical Code Connection Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 569.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Accessibility Code
Overview – Internet Version Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction, Inc. Accreditor: Contractor’s Institute (Koning Enterprises,
Inc.) BCIS Course Number: 565.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Approved Unanimously Course: Permits, Plans, Inspections, and Occupancy
Classification Advanced Module Provider: Training Licensing Center, Inc. Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 567.0 Motion: Course approval deferred based
on the lack of inclusion of a multiple choice exam and answers, the inclusion
of a Permit Form and Notice of Commencement Form which are not code related,
and the lack of provision of two Florida specific sub-sections on the
E-Occupancy slide (18). Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Building Code Module Provider: School of Construction Management, Inc. Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 573.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Approved Unanimously The following administratively approved updated courses are
recommended for APPROVAL: Course: 2010 Advanced FBC Enforcement and Education Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 170.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Jeffrey Stone Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 175.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced FBC The Florida Building
Commission Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 178.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Kevin Flanagan Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced FBC Permits and Application Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 173.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Approved Unanimously Course: 2010 Advanced Florida Building Code Provider: BCIC LLC Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh BCIS Course Number: 176.1 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Approved Unanimously The following administratively approved self affirmed updated
courses are recommended for APPROVAL: Course: Advanced Backflow Prevention Internet Course 1
Hour Provider: Contractor’s Continuing Education Systems, LLC Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 317.1 Motion: Course approval deferred based
on the citing of the 2007 version of the Florida Building Code instead of the
2010 version, both on the course syllabus and on numerous slides throughout
the actual course materials. Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Kevin Flanagan Approved Unanimously Course: Advanced (ADV) Field Marking Electrical
Equipment, Internet Provider: JADE Learning Accreditor: BCIC LLC BCIS Course Number: 484.0 Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content. Note: Cam
Fentriss noted that since this is a revised course, it should not be “.0” and
said that she will research whether this technical correction needs to be
made. This does not affect the
approval or not of the course. Motion: Jon Hamrick Second: Ken Gregory Approved Unanimously |
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Adjourn Adjourn (Adjourned at 10:32 am.) Motion: To adjourn Motion: Ken Gregory Second: Jon Hamrick Approved Unanimously |
Staff
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