Florida Building
Commission
Fire Technical Advisory Committee
Meeting Minutes
Meeting Location: Teleconference Meeting from Tallahassee,
Florida
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TAC/POC Members
and Objectives |
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TAC Members Present Via
Teleconference: Hamid
Bahadori, Chair; Brad Schiffer; Tony Apfelbeck;; Robert Hamburger; Charlie
Frank; Peter T. Schwab; Joe Belcher; TAC Members not Present:
James R. Schock; Jeffery Gross; Joe Holland Staff Present: Mo
Madani, Robert lorenzo, Marlita
Peters, Robert Benbow, Norman Bellamy, Joe Bigelow, Zubeyde Benici; April
Hammonds, Jim Richmond, Chip Sellers, Nick Duval Facilitator: Robert
Benbow Guests:
Dwight Wilkes, Eric Neilenger; Mike Ennis |
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Objectives: To consider and discuss the DS
2014-083 by Eric Neilinger of Fire Alarm Systems and Security Inc. |
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Meeting
Minutes |
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Objective |
Discussion of
objectives included the following: |
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1) |
10:00 AM
Welcome and Opening, Roll Call. A quorum was not originally present. Robert
Hamburger joined the teleconference and a quorum was reached. |
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2) and 3) |
Agenda
and Meeting minutes. The Agenda for today’s meeting and the meeting minutes for
the June 27, 2014 Fire TAC meeting
were approved unanimously by the committee members. |
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4) |
To consider, discuss, and provide recommendation for consideration by
the commission regarding DS 2014-083 by Eric Neilinger of Fire Alarm Systems
and Security Inc. The
Declaratory Statement was introduced by the chair. The declaratory statement
was presented by the petitioner. TAC
Actions: Question
1: Does
a UL listed integrated Fire alarm and smoke control
system meet the intent of 909.12? Answer: Answer is not
possible. The Commission has no authority to determine whether a
listed system meets the intent of the Code. In fact, determination of whether
a listed product meets code is subject to the design of the engineer of
record and the review and approval by the local authority having
jurisdiction. The Fire TAC agreed with staff’s analysis and
unanimously voted to approve the staff analysis. Question: 2) Do
we have to separate the one integrated system into two separate control
panels? Answer: Yes, as per 909.16 of
the FBC, Building, separate control panels are required. However,
as per section 909.16.2 of the FBC, Building, an integrated system is
permitted as designed by the engineer of record and approved by the local
authority having jurisdiction. The Fire TAC agreed with staff’s analysis and
unanimously voted to approve the staff analysis. Question 3) As a
minimum code compliant system does 909 require the Fire Fighter smoke control
panel to be a separate graphic display panel? Answer: Answer is not possible, The term “graphic
display” is not utilized in Section 909.16. Determination of whether a
product meets code is subject to the design of the engineer of record and
review and approval from the local building authority having jurisdiction. The Fire TAC
agreed with Mr. Apfelbeck’s motion and unanimous voted to approve the motion. Question 4) To meet minimum code
compliance will the installation of a UL listed integrated Fire Alarm and
Smoke Control system that meets all the elements of 909.16 meet the intent of
909 for a Fire Fighter smoke control panel? Answer: No, as per 909.16 of
the FBC, Building, and separate control panels are required. However, as per section 909.16.2 of the
FBC, Building, an integrated system is permitted as designed by the engineer
of record and approved by the local authority having jurisdiction. The Fire
TAC agreed with staff’s analysis and unanimously voted to approve the staff
analysis. April Hammonds, General Counsel raised some
concerns on the integrity of the petition as this particular issue could be
already resolved as stated by the petitioner which would require a new
petition for declaratory statement to be applied for regarding a different
situation. The TAC requested that Counsel research the standing of the
request and report her findings to the FBC on whether the DEC Statement
should be dismissed or addressed. |
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5) |
Other
TAC Business. Having no other TAC business, the meeting was closed
after a Motion and a Second to Adjourn. |
Staff
Contacts: Robert Benbow
Planning Analyst (850) 717-1828 Robert.benbow@myfloridalicense.com
or Mo Madani, Manager mo.madani@dbpr.state.fl.us (850) 717-1825