Florida Building Commission

March Education POC Meeting Minutes - DRAFT
 

Telephone Conference Call Number 1-888-808-6959, Access Code:  1967168
In Person Attendance: Room 250L, 2555 Shumard Oak Boulevard, Tallahassee, Florida


March 30, 2011

Time 10:00 a.m. ET

 

POC Members Present: Dick Browdy (Chair), Jon Hamrick, Jeff Stone, Scott Mollan, Ken Gregory, Drew Smith, Herminio Gonzalez

POC Member(s) Absent:

 

Meeting Attendees Identified:

 

Ila Jones                               Michael Clark                                               

Jim Richmond                      Jack Glenn

Cam Fentriss                       Larry Schneider                                            

         

 

Meeting was called to order at 10:04 a.m. ET, March 30, 2011


 

1. Review and approval of the March 2011 Agenda

 

Motion: To approve as submitted

Motion: Ken Gregory

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

2. Review and approval of January 2011 Minutes

 

Motion: To approve as submitted

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

 

3. Review pending accreditor applications for recommendation to the Commission

 

None Pending

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. Review pending advanced accredited courses for recommendation to the Commission

 

Course: 2007 Florida Energy Code in a Nutshell-Advanced

Provider: RCI Engineering, Inc.

Accreditor: JC Code & Construction Consultants, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 461.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FBC Significant Changes Module 3

Provider: BOAF-FHBA Joint Provider

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 459.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FBC Significant Changes Module 1

Provider: BOAF-FHBA Joint Provider

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 457.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FBC Significant Changes Module 2

Provider: BOAF-FHBA Joint Provider

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 458.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

5. Review administratively approved updated courses for recommendation to Commission

 

None Pending

 

 

 

6. Review self affirmed updated courses for recommendation to the Commission

 

The Chair asked for a Consent Motion for the self-affirmed courses listed below.

 

Course: Advanced Code Module Course For Electricians

Provider: Mike Holt Enterprises, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 349.1

 

Course: Advanced Code Module Course For Electricians - Online

Provider: Mike Holt Enterprises, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 350.1

 

Discussion – The Chair asked the Education Administrator if the type of change that occurred within the self-affirmed course materials could be listed with the rest of the course information so POC Members would know why a particular course qualified as self-affirmed. The Education Administrator stated that he would add, in general terms, the change made for self-affirmed courses from this point forward.

Consent Motion: Courses approved based on self-affirmation by the provider that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

7.  Discuss the difference in access between the Education POC members and the general public, regarding the review of training course materials located in the Building Code Information System (BCIS)

 

The Chair stated that Jack Glenn made some comments about this issue at the last Commission meeting---and would like Jack to repeat those comments for the POC members.

 

Jack said that a few years ago he had a PowerPoint presentation stolen from its posting on the internet. He further said that he prefers that a notice of some kind be posted on the BCIS which reinforces the intellectual property rights of the training materials.

 

Jim Richmond stated that the training materials do have to be available for the public to view, but that it is legal to restrict certain fields on the BCIS. To make up for the restrictions, Jim stated that the public may make a written public records request to DCA staff to provide a copy of the training materials. Ila Jones stated that to this point, she is not aware of anyone ever asking for a copy of a training course, or of training materials.

 

Cam stated that a disclaimer can be posted on the BCIS to not only include how to request a copy, but to also state that this information is proprietary and that the person must have permission of the owner if they want to use the information in any way. Larry Schneider stated that AIA posts copyright at the beginning of all materials.

 

The Chair stated that he agreed with what Cam suggested, to post a disclaimer regarding intellectual property rights and referencing relevant laws as to the use of the materials. The Chair asked if this task could be handled by DCA staff. Ila stated that Jim Richmond would need to draft the appropriate language.

 

Jim Richmond stated that he could construct a boiler plate letter covering this issue of intellectual property rights, to be posted on the BCIS. Jim further stated that this could be accomplished without rulemaking. The Chair agreed that he would like this done administratively versus through the rulemaking process.

 

No further action was required.

 

 

8.  Education Administrator activity report

 

A. Provided administrative support for FBC Education POC for January 25, 2011 meeting

 

B. Drafted minutes for FBC Education POC January 25, 2011 meeting

 

C. Prepared agenda for FBC Education POC meeting on March 30, 2011

 

D. Inquiries from the public January 13, 2011 to March 17, 2011 as follows:

14 inquiries: 2 telephone; 4 email; 8 telephone and email

 

Category of inquirers:

3 Architects 4 Providers 2 Seeking Building Code Admin License

1 Mechanical 2 Engineers 2 Consumers

 

Types of Inquiries:

2 Advanced Building Code course for architects

5 Core course for architect, mechanical, engineer

3 Provider questions

2 Building Code Admin License

2 Consumer code question

 

E. Course evaluation forms ask:

- Relevance of material                                                        - Use of examples

- Usefulness of material                                                        - Use of illustrations

- Quality of the instructor                                                       - Quality of the material

- Presentation techniques                                                    - Course title accuracy

- Suitability of training facility

- Appropriateness of course time for course subject

- Whether course was interesting

- (online) Was course easy to navigate

 

Sent to 112 providers; 16 responses; 11 standard form; 4 quiz/exam; 1 both

 

F. As of November 10, 2010, we have 112 training providers and 12 accreditors

 

Discussion – The Chair asked Cam Fentriss to give some background information regarding training course evaluations. Cam stated that this discussion started with the idea of possibly placing an evaluation form on the BCIS to be used by providers as a source to evaluate their courses. She also stated that as part of this discussion, Jim Richmond had stated that the use of any Commission sponsored evaluation form should be voluntary---not mandatory. If a form was mandatory, then it would have to be written into rule, which everyone agreed they did not want to happen.

 

Larry Schneider stated that the Board of Architecture and Interior Design provides a standard course evaluation form that everyone uses and seems to be ok with. He thinks that the various boards should handle course evaluations, not the Commission.

 

Commissioner Hamrick also stated that the Commission should not become involved with course evaluations.

 

No further action was required.

 

 

9. Identify future POC member discussion items

 

No items were identified

 

 

10. General public comment

 

The Chair asked if there were any public comments.

 

Larry Schneider stated that he thinks that the Fla. Accessibility Code will be changing as a result of this legislative session. He felt, because of these probable changes, that it might be a good idea that a reminder (letter or email) be sent to providers who teach the Accessibility Course to re-submit their respective courses for re-accreditation. Everyone else thought that would be a good idea.

 

Cam Fentriss stated that the Education Administrator would do this and asked Larry to send her what information he felt relevant for this notice. Larry agreed to send the information after the meeting.

 

Jack Glenn stated that he will take the three courses he developed regarding major code changes “on the road”, starting in mid-May. There will be no charge to attend any of these courses. Jack further stated that he will be sending a blast email to all of the boards regarding times and locations.

 

 

11. Summary and review of meeting work products/action items, assignments, and next steps

 

No new assignments were handed out.

 

 

Adjourn (Adjourned at 10:34 am.)

Motion: To adjourn

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Ken Gregory

Approved Unanimously

 

Recommended Commission Actions

The Education POC considered and recommends the following:

 

The following new courses are recommended for approval:

 

Course: 2007 Florida Energy Code in a Nutshell-Advanced

Provider: RCI Engineering, Inc.

Accreditor: JC Code & Construction Consultants, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 461.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FBC Significant Changes Module 3

Provider: BOAF-FHBA Joint Provider

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 459.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FBC Significant Changes Module 1

Provider: BOAF-FHBA Joint Provider

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 457.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

Course: 2010 FBC Significant Changes Module 2

Provider: BOAF-FHBA Joint Provider

Accreditor: JDB Code Services, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 458.0

Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

The following self-affirmed courses are recommended for approval:

 

Course: Advanced Code Module Course For Electricians

Provider: Mike Holt Enterprises, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 349.1

 

Course: Advanced Code Module Course For Electricians - Online

Provider: Mike Holt Enterprises, Inc.

BCIS Course Number: 350.1

 

Consent Motion: Courses approved based on self-affirmation by the provider that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.

Motion: Jon Hamrick

Second: Herminio Gonzalez

Approved Unanimously

 

 

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