Florida Building Commission
Plumbing
TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE (TAC)
CONCURRENT
WITH
Swimming
Pool Subcomittee
MINUTES
 June 1, 2012
10 a.m. -11:33
A.M.
 
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   Meeting
  Agenda  | 
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   Objective  | 
  
   Review of objectives will include
  the following:  Description
  of issue, discussion by TAC and Subcommittee, public comment, TAC action  | 
 
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   1)    | 
  
   PLUMBING TAC
   MEMBERS PRESENT:  Mike Robbins, Gary Kozan, Gary Duren, Robert
  Trumbower, Ken Gregory and Jim Bickford. Swimming Pool Subcommittee Members
  present: Tom Allen, Tony Caruso, Joe Crum, Bill Dumbaugh, Dan Johnson, Gordon
  Shepardson and Ken Gregory Approved Meeting Agenda  | 
 
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   2)  | 
  
   The TAC reviewed
  and provided recommendations on DEC statement request DS 2012-038 by Karen McLead on behalf of
  Pinch A Penny, Inc. as follows:  Questions: Question 1: To the question, using the Work Area Compliance method, is
  the replacement of a 1 horsepower 
  residential swimming pool motor with a new 1 horsepower motor a
  “repair” as defined in Chapter 2, or is it a “Level 1 Alteration” as outlined
  in Chapter 4?   Answer:  
  According to Section 402 of the FBC, Existing Building, the level
  of work in question falls under classification of work “repair” and level of
  work as per Chapter 5 of the FBC, Existing Building. Question 2: To the question, using the Work Area Compliance method, as
  it stated in Section 502.2, like materials shall be permitted for repairs and
  alterations, provided no dangerous or unsafe condition is created. Does the
  replacement of a swimming pool motor of the same horsepower or lesser
  horsepower created a dangerous or unsafe condition?  Answer:  According to
  Section 502.2 of the FBC, Existing Building “the Code”, only like materials
  are permitted for repair and thus for the project in question, only swimming
  pool motor of the same horsepower is permitted.  Replacement of motor with a comparable
  product in accordance with the approved manufacturer installation instruction
  and the applicable codes would not create a dangerous or unsafe condition as
  defined in Section 202 of the Code.                 Question 4: To the question, using the Prescriptive Compliance method
  under Chapter 3, is the replacement of a 1 horsepower motor with a new 1
  horsepower motor on an existing residential swimming pool a “repair” to the
  swimming pool or is it an “Alteration” as defined in Chapter 2? Answer:   According to
  Section 301.2.2 of the FBC,
  Existing Building, the level of work in question is permitted under both
  “repair” and “alteration”, provided no hazard to life, health or property is
  created.   Issue #2 Question 3: (Part
  a)To the question, using the Work Area
  Compliance method, is the replacement of a 1 horsepower pump valued at $2,000
  on a residential swimming pool with an assessed value of $10,000 deemed a
  minor replacement of materials as defined by Section 202?  Answer: No. According to Section 403.1 of the FBC, Existing Building “the Code”, the classification of work for the project in question is “Alteration – Level 1” which also falls within the scope of Section 613.1, Exception #4 of the Code. (Part b) If no, then what numerical percentage
  should be used when trying to determine if the replacement of materials
  (pump) is minor?  Answer: A numerical percentage approach is not addressed within the Code for the determination of whether replacement of materials (pump) is minor. (Part c) Or, is replacing a residential
  swimming pool pump not deemed a repair of the swimming pool and therefore
  must be considered a Level 1 Alteration without exception?  Answer: See answer to (Part a) above. Question 5: To the question, using the Prescriptive Compliance method
  under Chapter 3, is the replacement of a 1 horsepower pump with a new 1
  horsepower pump on an existing residential swimming pool a “repair” to the
  swimming pool or is it an “Alteration” as defined in Chapter 2?  Answer: As per Section 301.2.2 of the FBC, Existing Building, the level of work in question is permitted under both “repair” and “alteration”, provided no hazard to life, health or property is created. Issues 1 and 2 Question 6: To
  the question, using the Prescriptive Compliance
  method, is the replacement of a pump or pump-motor on an existing residential
  swimming pool an ordinary repair as defined by section 304.1 exempt from
  permit in accordance with Section 105.2?  Answer: Option #1: No. See answers to the above stated questions with regard to the applicable classification of work to the issues of concern. Option #2: According to Sections 105.2 of the Florida Building Code, Building, ordinary repairs may be made with the approval of the building official without a permit as long as replacement of the pump motor does not alter the pump approval or make the pump unsafe. With regard to replacement of the pump, see answers to the applicable questions as stated above. Question 7: To
  the question, using the Prescriptive
  Compliance method, when repairing the swimming pool by replacing a 1
  horsepower motor or pump with a new 1 horsepower motor or pump (like for
  like), and with no other changes or repairs being made, is a “dangerous
  condition” being created?  Answer:  Replacement of 1 horsepower motor or
  pump with comparable products in accordance with the approved manufacturer
  installation instruction and the applicable codes would not create a
  dangerous or unsafe condition as defined in Section 202 of the Code.    | 
 
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   3)  | 
  
   Adjourned at 11:33 AM  | 
 
 
Staff
Contacts: Chip Sellers, chip.sellers@dbpr.state.fl.us, (850) 410-1568; Mo Madani, Manager