BOARD MEETING
OF THE
FLORIDA BUILDING COMMISSION
PLENARY SESSION MINUTES
May 8 & 9,
2007
PENDING APPROVAL
The meeting of the Florida Building Commission
was called to order by Chairman Raul
Rodriguez
at 3:30 p.m. on Tuesday, May 8, 2007, at the Embassy Suites Hotel, Tampa,
Florida.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT:
Raul L. Rodriguez, AIA, Chairman
Nicholas D’Andrea, Vice Chairman
Richard
Browdy
Peter
Tagliarini
Christ
Sanidas
James
Goodloe
George
Wiggins
Herminio
Gonzalez
Hamid
Bahadori
Randall
J. Vann
William
Norkunas
Dale
Greiner
Jeffrey
Gross
Paul
D. Kidwell
Joseph
“Ed” Carson
Jon
Hamrick
Chris
Schulte
Do
Y. Kim
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT:
Steven
C. Bassett
Nanette
Dean
Gary
Griffin
Michael
McCombs
George
Wiggins
Craig
Parrino, Adjunct Member
Doug
Murdock, Adjunct Member
OTHERS PRESENT:
Rick
Dixon, FBC Executive Director
Ila
Jones, DCA Prog. Administrator
Jim
Richmond, DCA Legal Advisor
Jeff
Blair, FCRC
Mo
Madani, Technical Svcs. Manager
WELCOME
Chairman
Rodriguez welcomed the Commission and gallery to the May 2007 plenary session of the Florida
Building Commission. He directed the
Commission to Mr. Blair for a review of the Commission meeting agenda.
REVIEW AND APPROVE AGENDA
Mr.
Blair conducted a review of the meeting agenda as presented in each
Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
Browdy moved approval of the meeting agenda.
A second to the motion was entered.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
REVIEW AND APPROVE MARCH 27 &
28, 2007 MEETING MINUTES AND FACILITATOR’S REPORTS
Chairman Rodriguez called for approval of the minutes and
the facilitator’s reports from the March 2007 Commission meeting.
Commissioner Browdy moved approval of the March
Commission meeting minutes. Commissioner
Kidwell entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
CONSIDER
ACCESSIBILITY WAIVER APPLICATIONS
Chairman Rodriguez directed the Commission to Neil
Mellick for consideration of the Accessibility Waiver Applications as they
appeared in each Commissioner’s files.
#3 Soho Beach House
Mr. Mellick stated the applicant had requested the
application be deferred prior to hearing the case.
No Commission action required.
#1 Gables CitiTower
Mr. Mellick described the petitioner’s request for waiver
as it was presented in each Commissioner’s files. He stated the Council recommended granting
the waiver.
Commissioner Greiner moved approval of the Council’s
recommendation. A second to the motion
was entered. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
#2 Southpointe Park
Mr. Mellick explained the petitioner’s request for waiver
as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. He stated the Council recommended approval of
the waiver.
Commissioner Browdy moved approval of the Council’s
recommendation.
Mr. Mellick added the Council would also like the order
to state the applicant will not be exempt from the provisions of Title 2 of the
ADA.
Commissioner
Browdy restated his motion for approval of the Council’s recommendation as
amended. A second to the motion was
entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
#4 Academy for International Studies
Mr. Mellick explained the petitioner’s request for waiver
as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. He stated the Council recommended granting
the waiver but would require the order to state the applicant will not be
exempt from Title 2 of the ADA.
Commissioner Gross moved approval of the Council’s
recommendation. A second to the motion
was entered. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
#5 Sessums, Mason, Blach & Caballero
Mr. Mellick explained the petitioner’s request for waiver
as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. He stated the Council recommended approval
of the waiver.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the Council’s
recommendation. A second to the motion
was entered. Vote to approve the motion
Council’s recommendation was unanimous.
Motion carried.
#6 The Mercato
Mr. Mellick explained the petitioner’s request for waiver
as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. He stated the Council’s recommendation was
for deferral requesting the applicant provide detailed plans of the building.
Commissioner Vann stated he would be abstaining from vote
due to conflict of interest.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the Council’s
recommendation. A second to the motion
was entered. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried. (Commissioner Vann abstained.)
#7 Bob Wilson Dodge Storage Garage
Mr. Mellick explained the petitioner’s request for waiver
as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. He stated the Council’s recommendation was
for denial due to lack of hardship.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the Council’s
recommendation. A second to the motion
was entered. Vote to approve the motion
resulted in 17 in favor and 1 opposed (Commissioner Browdy). Motion carried.
CONSIDER
APPLICATIONS FOR PRODUCT AND ENTITY APPROVAL
Chairman Rodriguez directed the Commission to
Commissioner Carson for presentation of entity approvals.
Commissioner Carson presented the POC recommendations for
entity approval in the form of a motion as follows:
TST 4120
Architectural Testing Inc.
A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
TST 4744 National Certified Testing Laboratories
A
second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Mr.
Blair then presented the products for approval as they appeared in the matrix
provided to each Commissioner.
Recommended approvals were presented in consent agenda format with
conditional approvals, deferrals, and denials being considered
individually. (See Florida Building Commission Product Approval Applications)
Certification
Method
Recommended for Approval
Product #’s:
42-R4; 43-R4; 44-R4; 45-R4; 239-R8; 251-R6; 253-R5; 2646-R3; 3663-R4;
4062-R3; 4328-R3; 4708-R3; 5047-R1; 6074-R1; 6431-R1; 6502-R1; 6571; 6684-R1;
6688-R1; 6694-R1; 7130; 7397; 7776; 8327; 8397; 8532; 8533; 8542; 8544; 8548;
8573; 8576; 8583; 8590; 8602; 8603; 8605; 8619; 8636; 8638; 8641; 8642; 8643;
8649; 8670; 8678; 8679; 8696; 8697; 8700; 8704; 8705; 8710; 8714; 8715; 8716;
8717; 8718; 8720; 8740; 8745; 8750; 8752; 8754; 8755; 8756; 8759; 8760; 8761;
8766; 8767; 8769; 8773; 8774; 8776; 8777; 8778; 8779; 8781.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval for the consent agenda.
Commissioner Wiggins entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Recommended for Conditional Approval
2691-R1 and 2699-R1 Windoworld Industries Inc.
Mr. Blair stated these products were recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to indicate in limits of use
for HVHZ only white PVC is certified; deferred from March 2007 - complied with:
Remove unsigned draft notice for plastic requirements by Miami Dade and use the
proper AAMA certification for Rayhau testing; remove certification for FER
requirements, as this is a fixed window; and provide proper and final
certification on laminate.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kim entered
a second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
2701-R1 Windoworld Industries, Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to indicate in limits of use
for HVHZ only white PVC is certified; deferred from March 2007 - complied with:
Remove unsigned draft notice for plastic requirements by Miami Dade and use the
proper AAMA certification for Rayhau testing; remove certification for FER
requirements, as this is a fixed window; and provide proper and final
certification on laminate.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kim entered
a second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
2988 Industrial Millwork Corp.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional
approval stating the Certification agency needs to verify compliance with 2004
FBC; model/number or name is not the same as in NOA; installation instructions
are different from the Certification Agency Certificate.
Commissioner Kim moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kidwell
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
4334-R2; 5508-R1; 7351-R1; 8228-R1; 8692 Masonite
International
Mr. Blair stated these products were recommended for
conditional approval stating there is no rational analysis on application; FL
PE to validate application.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kim entered
a second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
7833-R1 Vi Win Tech
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the standard years on Certification for ASTM
E1886/1996 are not the same as on the application; standard year for ASTM E1996
given on Certification is not FBC adopted; applicant, Vi Win Tech, does not
appear as listed under the AAMA Certified Profile Licensees (uploaded under
Certification Agency Certificate); for product 7833.3, there is no
Certification Agency Certificate uploaded; and could not verify Limits of Use.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kim entered
a second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
7880-R1 Vi Win Tech
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
standard years on Certification for ASTM E1886/1996 are not the same as on the
application; standard year for ASTM E1996 given on Certification is not FBC
adopted; applicant, Vi Win Tech, does not appear as listed under the AAMA
Certified Profile Licensees (uploaded under Certification Agency Certificate);
for Product 7880.1; and design pressure is exceeded under Installation
Instructions.
Commissioner Kim moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Kidwell entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
7882-R1 Vi Win Tech
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the standard years on Certification for ASTM
E1886/1996 are not the same as on the application; standard year for ASTM E1996
given on Certification is not FBC adopted; applicant, Vi Win Tech, does not
appear as listed under the AAMA Certified Profile Licensees (uploaded under
Certification Agency Certificate); for Products 7882.2, .4 and .5; and design
pressures are exceeded under Installation Instructions.
Commissioner Kim moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kidwell
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
8359 General Aluminum Company
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating for products 8359.8, .9, .10 and .11, unable to
verify design pressures.
Commissioner Kim moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kidwell
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
8546 Gorell Enterprises Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating use on application same testing standards as on
certification.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner Kim entered
a second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
8571 Therma Tru Corporation
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to provide hardware schedule
as tested.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
8580- Extech Exterior Technologies
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating "Miami-Dade NOA is not a standard and needs
to be removed; indicate testing standards on application.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
8626 Long’s Millwork Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to indicate hardware as
tested; and standard years given on Application are not FBC adopted.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea
entered a second to the motion.
Commissioner
Kidwell stated he would be abstaining from this vote.
Commissioner
Kidwell abstaining - Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
8736
Energy Saving Products of Florida
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
negative pressures above tested are not certified by certification agency.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8738
Energy Saving Products of Florida
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
certification agency on application indicated they are not certifying these
products; select the correct certification agency.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8741 Majestic Entry Doors
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to specify hardware as tested.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8742 M W Manufacturers Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating for Product 8742.4, there is no verifiable
evidence of structural load testing required by FBC (AAMA or equivalent).
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8748 M W Manufacturers Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the certificate shows Standard ANSI/AAMA/NWWDA
101/I.S.2-97 testing, but the application shows AAMA/WDMA/CSA
101/I.S./2A440-05, which is not on the Certificate.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8751 Gorell Enterprises Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional
approval stating the standard year is not FBC adopted.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
8768
and 8770 Curries
Mr. Blair stated these products were recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to specify mullion as tested
on an assembly, indicate an approved mullion or remove the reference to the
mullion and indicate connection to substrate; indicate max. D.L.O.; provide
certification of polycarbonate; air limitation for louvered doors has not been
indicated; door skin material has not been indicated; material, dimensions and thickness of wire
anchors has not been indicated; max shim space is not indicated; source of
3/8" expansion anchor and capacity, edge distance and substrate strength
is not indicated; capacity of lag screw with 2.5" penetration is exceeded;
indicate source of capacity for #8 X 1" drywall screw into wood or steel
stud; the stud thickness for bearing is not known.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Recommended for Deferral
7881-R1
Vi Win Tech
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for deferral stating the standard
years on Certification for ASTM E1886/1996 are not the same as on the
application; Standard Year for ASTM E1996 given on Certification is not FBC
adopted; Applicant, Vi Win Tech, does not appear as listed under the AAMA
Certified Profile Licensees (uploaded under Certification Agency Certificate);
For Product 7881.4, Model/Number is not the same as on NAMI Certification.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8204-R1
Vi Win Tech
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for deferral stating the edition year of the Standards listed on
Certification for ASTM E1886/1996 are not the same as on the application;
Standard Year for ASTM E1996 given on Certification is not FBC adopted;
Standards ASTM E1886/1996 and TAS 201/202/203 are missing on the Application
Standards list; Applicant, Vi Win Tech, does not appear as listed under the
AAMA Certified Profile Licensees (uploaded under Certification Agency
Certificate); For Products 8204.1, .2 and .3, there are no NAMI Certificates
uploaded; For Products 8204.2 and .3; and Design Pressures are exceeded, as per
Installation Instructions.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8206-R1
Vi Win Tech
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for deferral stating the Standard
Years on Certification for ASTM E1886/1996 are not the same as on tha
application; Standard Year for ASTM E1996 given on Certification is not FBC
adopted; Standards ASTM E1886/1996 and TAS 201/202/203 are missing on the
Application Standards list; Applicant, Vi Win Tech, does not appear as listed
under the AAMA Certified Profile Licensees (uploaded under Certification Agency
Certificate); For Products 8204.2, .3 and .4, there are no NAMI Certificates
uploaded; For Products 8204.3 and .4; and Design Pressures are exceeded, as per
Installation Instructions.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8772
Englert Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for deferral stating the Standard
years are not FBC adopted; Application shall be made by the manufacturer
holding the NOA; and Installation instructions are beyond certification.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8780
Vi Win Tech
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for deferral stating the Standard
Years on Certification for ASTM E1886/1996 are not the same as on the
application; Standard Year for ASTM E1996 given on Certification is not FBC
adopted; Applicant, Vi Win Tech, does not appear as listed under the AAMA
Certified Profile Licensees (uploaded under Certification Agency Certificate);
For All Products, there are no NAMI Certificates uploaded; For Products 8780.2
and .3; and Design Pressures are exceeded, as per Installation Instructions.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8782
Vi Win Tech
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for deferral stating the applicant, Vi
Win Tech, does not appear as listed under the AAMA Certified Profile Licensees
(uploaded under Certification Agency Certificate); For All Products, there are
no NAMI Certificates uploaded; and For Products 8782.2, and .3, Design
Pressures are exceeded, as per Installation Instructions.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Incomplete Applications
4509
Dome’L Inc – Incomplete.
8308
E-Z Taping Systems, Inc. – Withdrawn by the applicant.
8593
Martin Door Manufacturing – Incomplete.
8775
Jeld-Wen – Incomplete.
No Commission action necessary.
Evaluation by
Architect or Engineer
Recommended for Approval
Product
#’s: 1800-R2; 3915-R2; 4210; 5684-R1; 6218-R6; 6356-R1; 7484; 8124; 8125-R1;
8391; 8392; 8393; 8406; 8407; 8408; 8413; 8415; 8472-R1; 8534; 8535; 8543;
8551; 8554; 8556; 8557; 8558; 8559;8560; 8614; 8618; 8621; 8627; 8630; 8631;
8645; 8646; 8667; 8675; 8676; 8683; 8684; 8686; 8687; 8688; 8702; 8706; 8713;
8723; 8725; 8727; 8728; 8739; 8747; 8763; 8765.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval for the consent agenda.
Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Recommended for Conditional Approval
7179 Gorell Enterprises Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating both
products seem to be the same and the applicant should remove one; for product
7179.2, Installation Instructions are for Series 5301, application Model/Number
is 98115 Hurricane Mull.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8414
Thompson Construction and Remodeling
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
Quality Assurance Entity chosen indicated that the applicant is not under their
inspection program requiring a certificate from an approved quality assurance
entity.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8562
Eagle Window and Door Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
applicant needs to specify hardware as tested; Remove all the optional or as
equal on hardware; Missing from Standards List: TAS 201/202/203 and ASTM
E330/1886/1996. They are in the Evaluation Reports.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8564
Eagle Window and Door Inc. and 8569 Elegante Iron, Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated these products were recommended for conditional approval stating
the applicant needs to provide hardware as tested.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8612
Nana Wall Systems, Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
Evaluation report refers to Comparative Analysis. Applicant must explain how it was analyzed
testing a single size with a single load pressure.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8622
USA Shutter Company LLC
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating
unlimited height and width is not acceptable.
Tec and lag screws are not designed to be removed and re-installed
(capacity is reduced).
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8629 Metalforming Inc; 8644 Lynn Metal Company Inc.; 8651
Armored Metal Works; 8652 Cheesboro
Roofing; 8653 Comfort Enclosures; 8654 Crowther Roofing and Sheet Metal; 8655 Florida Southern Roofing; 8657 Metal Building Supplies, LLC; 8658 Mid
Florida Metal Roofing and Supply, Inc.; 8660 Mullets Aluminum; 8661 Prestige
Aluminum; 8662 Roofmetix Industries;
8664 SunSky Metal, LLC; 8665
Triad Corrugated Metals; 8690 Coastal Metal Roofing, Inc.; 8694 Architectural
Metal Fabrication/Gutter Drain; 8695 ASI
Building Products; and 8709 Roofmetix
Industries.
Mr. Blair stated these products were recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicants need to verify the fastening
pattern used in TAS 100 matches pattern for corners and limit load as tested on
TAS 100; Verify that TAS 125 test was conducted without a self-adhered
underlayment bonded to the plywood.
Jaime Gascon,
Miami-Dade Office of Building Code Compliance
Mr. Gascon stated he would like to add another condition
to the products TAS125 which were tested stating if the underlayment that was
used on the tests was the self-adhered underlayment bonded to the plywood, the
panels are not to be used in a HVHZ.
Ted Berman
Mr.
Berman stated Mr. Gascon’s condition should not be just for HVHZ, but should be
applied for the whole state. He
explained if the underlayment used can seal the deck the test is not valid.
Mr.
Blair asked for clarification concerning meeting TAS125, if the underlayment is
self-adhesive and bonds to the plywood the panels cannot be used at all. He
asked Mr. Berman if he was satisfied with that additional condition.
Mr.
Berman stated he was satisfied.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8637 StormWatch
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the signed and sealed hardcopy of evaluation
report is missing.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8639 and 8685 Guardian Building Products – Ashley
Aluminum, LLC.
Mr. Blair stated these products were recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to indicate on limits of use
on application: "For flat screen
roof only".
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8648 Elite Aluminum Corporation
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to indicate grade and
thickness of aluminum components.; indicate hardware as tested; and verify
glazing detail as tested.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8650 Folding Shutter Corporation
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to remove storm bar and
mullions span larger than tested for impact/cycling.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8707 Best Rolling Doors, Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to remove sizes larger than
tested or indicate not for HVHZ.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8711 RGM Products, Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional
approval stating the applicant needs to comply with HVHZ requirements of
accelerated weathering and TAS 114 Appendix A, F, G, I, K or indicate "Not
for HVHZ".
Commissioner
Kim stated he would be abstaining from the vote.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried. (Commissioner Kim abstained.)
8712 YKK AP America
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating TAS 201/203 were missing on the Standard
List. The applicant needs to provide the
name and accreditation of testing lab performing the tests on the gaskets for
8712.3
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8722 Milliken Distribution
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to provide thickness of
build-out channels.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8731 YKK AP America
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating there is no evidence of the location of the gasket
testing.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8735
Acurlite Structural Skylights, Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
applicant needs to note 7 on drawing is not acceptable. If only a 4' X 8' size was tested all other
shapes do not qualify for HVHZ. Verify a
factor of safety of 2 was used for pressure and uplift. Otherwise indicate "Not for HVHZ".
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8753
YKK AP America
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
design is based on rational analysis when the building code indicates specific
testing standards on the product.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Incomplete Applications
Product #’s: 4690-R1; 4990-R1; 8061; 8237; 8349; 8567;
8615; 8693; and 8724.
No Commission action necessary.
Evaluation by Test
Report
Recommended for Approval
Product #’s: 5259-R2; 5792-R1; 6391-R2; 6809; 8289; 8588;
8672; 8677; 8729.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the consent agenda.
Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Recommended for Conditional Approval
3227-R5 Wayne-Dalton Corp.
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
applicant needs to provide specification of fabric material and provide
porosity of shutter system.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8193;
8198; and 8201 VEKA, Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated these products were recommended for conditional approval stating
the test reports are not signed and sealed by a FL PE. There is no certification of extrusion or
laminate. Load test were of a different
glass configuration than the impact test.
The laminate glass description does not indicate the components. The installation instructions do not indicate
spacing.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8356
EFCO Corporation
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating the
installation instructions indicate anchors other than tested. There is no certification of laminate. Test report is not signed and sealed by FL
PE.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8625 Armaclad, Inc.
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the applicant needs to indicate hardware as
tested. Provide testing of foam as required on Chapter 26. Installation instructions indicate glazing.
Remove. Resolve conflict between test
report and installation instructions related to air and water requirements.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8647 Elite Aluminum Corporation
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating ASTM E72 is not an adopted standard in the 2004
FBC. Installation instructions are not
as tested. Some of the test reports are
not signed and sealed by FL PE. Others
have pages that are illegible.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8656 Tognana
USA/Tognana Industrie E Fornaci
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating the tiles are missing call-out for identification
on tile. Products 8656.1, .3 and .4 are
missing the calculation data for the Aerodynamic Multiplier and Restoring
Momets. This is required for
moment-based systems. Otherwise indicate
"Not for HVHZ".
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
8682 YKK AP America
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for
conditional approval stating there is no evidence of the testing location for
the gasket. 8682.1 and .2 were not tested for air or water infiltration. Mull was not impacted.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Incomplete Applications
4999-R1 – Incomplete
8279 –Withdrawn by applicant
No
Commission action necessary.
Evaluation by
Entity
Recommended for Approval
Product
# 8596
Commissioner Carson moved approval. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Recommended for Conditional Approval
8547
LP
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval stating there
is no Certificate of Independence. AC321
is not an FBC approved Standard. Under Equivalence of Product Standards,
“FL8547 RO Equiv ac321.pdf” does not load.
Evaluation report contains rational analysis. Validation has to be by FL PE.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner D’Andrea entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Recommended
for Deferral
8555 Protecto Wrap Company
Mr. Blair stated the product was recommended for deferral
stating there is no Certificate of Independence. ASTM 2112 is not FBC adopted. ASTM E331-90 Year is not FBC adopted. Application does not indicate structural load
testing standard. Could not download
Certificate of Product Standards. R I
Ogawa & Associates, Inc. is not FBC approved as a Product Validation
Entity. Could not download Evaluation Reports.
Could not download Installation Instructions. There is no verifiable evidence of Impact
Resistance.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Kidwell entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
CONSIDER LEGAL ISSUES AND PETITIONS
FOR DECLARATORY STATEMENT:
BINDING INTERPRETATIONS:
DECLARATORY STATEMENTS:
Binding
Interpretations:
Mr. Richmond stated there were no additional binding
interpretations since the last meeting.
Declaratory Statements:
Supplemental Hearings:
DCA07-DEC011 by Billy Tyson, CBO, of
Clemmons, Rutherford & Associates
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Chairman
Rodriguez asked Commissioner Hamrick if DOE concurred with the committee’s recommendation.
Commissioner
Hamrick responded DOE did concur.
Commissioner
Kidwell moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Second
Hearings:
DCA06-DEC-299 by Grant Tolbert of
Hernando County Development Services
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
Greiner moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-016 by
James M. Nicholas, Esquire, Townhomes of Suntree
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
Browdy moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-020 by
Ed Riley, Fire Code Official, Collier County
Mr. Richmond explained the issues presented in the
petition for declaratory statement and the committee’s recommendations as they
appeared in each Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner Greiner asked if it was to be assumed all
work will be commercial work, because the case would be different if the work
is residential.
Mr. Richmond stated the request was related to a
commercial project.
Commissioner Greiner asked if the motion needs to clarify
commercial work only.
Mr. Richmond stated an additional paragraph could be
added with a general statement indicating the project was commercial.
Commissioner
Greiner moved approval of the committee’s recommendation as amended with the
additional language. A second to the
motion was entered. Vote to approve the
motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-034 by
Don Blalock, President, Quickbrick USA, LLC
Mr. Richmond explained the issues presented in the
petition for declaratory statement and the committee’s recommendations as they
appeared in each Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner Parrino referenced page 2, paragraph 5, 2nd
sentence stating it was implied the product would have to be approved under
Rule 9B-72. He stated it was not the
case, as it could also be qualified under jurisdictional approval.
Mr. Richmond asked for clarification concerning whether
reference was made concerning the last sentence.
Commissioner Parrino stated it reads “use in Florida
would be contingent upon its approval pursuant to Rule 9B-72.090.” He explained it may cause confusion implying
it must have state approval under 9B-72.
He recommended that sentence be stricken.
Mr. Richmond asked if it would be acceptable to
Commissioner Parrino to just add “contingent upon its approval by the
applicable local authorities having jurisdiction or pursuant to Rule 9B-72”.
Commissioner Parrino answered yes.
Commissioner
Gross moved approval of the committee’s recommendation as amended. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-038 by
Ed Riley, Fire Code Official, Collier County
Mr. Richmond explained the issues presented in
the petition for declaratory statement and the committee’s recommendations as
they appeared in each Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
Browdy moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
First
Hearings:
DCA07-DEC-017 by
Robert S. Fine, TRG-Block One LTD
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Robert Fine,
Attorney, Miami
Mr.
Fine stated he attended the last Commission meeting requesting the declaratory
statement. He continued stating the
Commission had requested more information, specifically drawings of the
project, to offer a more clear understanding of the petitioner’s request. He then stated while working on the amended
petition, some of the issues raised by individuals in Miami-Dade County were
considered. Mr. Fine noted some of the
language of the petition had been changed.
He explained the amended petition seeks a declaratory statement which
states the requirements set forth in 1519.16 do not apply to balconies and
parking garage decks, when such balconies and decks 1) are not part of the top
surface of the building and 2) are not the weather exposed surface immediately
above habitable space. He stated the
petitioner sought the declaratory statement after meetings with Miami-Dade Code
Compliance regarding local waterproofing guidelines which had been issued. He further stated staff in that office had
stated their opinion this provision did apply to all balconies and parking
garage decks. He continued stating his
client has a lot at stake building very large buildings and felt it would be important
to bring this to the Commission.
Mr.
Fine then addressed another issue which had been raised which was the
inappropriateness to be before the Commission with a declaratory statement
which should have been dealt with by the local boards. He explained legal counsel had clarified it
was appropriate to be petitioning for a declaratory statement. He asked why say 1519.16 does not apply to
balconies and parking garage decks that are not part of the top surface of the
building. He explained the way this
provision, which is essentially a roofing standard, was written for roofs with
slopes less than 2 and 12. He stated the
issue was when building a high-rise building if a roof would be necessary over
each balcony and on parking garage decks that were not at the top. He continued by stating this provision states
“you have a minimum slope of ¼ inch per foot.”
He stated that slope is not appropriate for balconies. Mr. Fine explained if there was a five foot
deep balcony, it would require tapering of 1 ¼ inches. He further explained an
eight foot slab would require an additional inch to the overall slab which
would carry throughout the whole building creating a significant impact on the
cost of the structure. He added the
waterproofing itself would be at a cost of $3.00-$7.00 per foot.
Mr.
Fine continued by stating Chapter 11 of the Florida Building Code, as well as
ADA guidelines allow for a maximum slope of 1 and 50 at door maneuvering areas
which typically extend as much as five feet from the door. He stated accessible parking spaces on access
aisles located in parking garage decks are also limited to a maximum slope of 1
and 50. He restated the provision in
question states in new construction the minimum deck slope shall be ¼ inch per
foot. He noted ¼ inch per foot is
greater than 1 in 50. He stated having a
code that states 1 in 48 applies to these areas would violate the ADA, Chapter
11 and the Fair Housing Act, as well, if applied to balconies and garage
decks. He then stated 553.502 states all
state laws, rules, standards, and codes governing facilities covered by the
guidelines shall be maintained to assure certification of the state’s
construction standards and codes. He
noted this is the certification of the Accessibility Code with the Federal
ADA. Mr. Fine further stated if this
were applied to a hotel, which is covered by the ADA as opposed to an apartment
building, the provision in the parking garage and balconies would violate that
and potentially go outside the bounds of the certification. He stated similar provisions would violate
the Fair Housing Act. He stated the
provision is located in Chapter 15, Roofs, of the Florida Building Code. He further stated Chapter 1519 is titled HVHZ
Roof Coverings with slopes less than 2 and 12.
He noted the roof covering is designed to reference the building’s top
surface.
Mr.
Fine then referenced and read an affidavit from South Florida structural
engineer, Mark Mosbot. The affidavit was
entered into the record at the TAC meeting May 7, 2007.
Chairman
Rodriguez asked if Mr. Fine agreed with the committee’s recommendation.
Mr.
Fine responded he did agree with their recommendation.
Chairman
Rodriguez asked if there was any need to continue with presentation from Mr.
Fine.
Mr.
Fine stated he did not know if he were going to have any opposition.
Mr.
Blair explained to Mr. Fine he had the right to continue, but if the motion was
to approve the committee’s recommendation, which was the answer Mr. Fine was
seeking, the discussion could be completed.
He offered if the motion was not for approval, Mr. Fine would have more
time to present his case.
Mr.
Fine concurred.
Commissioner
Greiner moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion resulted in 17 in
favor, 1 opposed (Gonzalez). Motion
carried.
DCA07-DEC-047 by
John Leedy, PE, Leedy Electric Corporation
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files. He explained
relative to the second question of the declaratory statement, he did not
believe the Commission has the authority to answer the question if it is
determined that Chapter 471 of the Florida Statutes supersedes the Building
Code.
Commissioner
Greiner suggested perhaps the Commission should answer the second question
first in order to alleviate the counsel’s concerns.
A
motion was made to approve the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-048 by Joseph W. Broughton,
PE, Burgess Engineering, Inc.
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-049 by
Penny Hoxie, PolyVulc USA, Inc.
Mr.
Richmond stated this petition is beyond the scope of the Commission’s authority
and will be dismissed.
DCA07-DEC-050 by Alfonso E.
Oveido-Reyes, Hunker Down Systems
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
A
motion was made to approve the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-060 by Emil Veksenfeld, PE
Mr.
Richmond explained this petition will be deferred to allow the petitioner to
provide more specific facts and circumstances.
DCA07-DEC-065 by Andrew Johnston,
Harbor Home Improvements
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
D’Andrea moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-067 by Joseph R. Hetzel. PE,
DASMA
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
Kidwell moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-072 by Nelson de Leon, A1A
Mr.
Richmond stated the petition had been withdrawn.
No Commission action necessary.
DCA07-DEC-078 by Siegried W. Valentin,
AAMA
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for
declaratory statement and
the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each Commissioner’s
files.
Commissioner
Kidwell moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
DCA07-DEC-079 by Keith A Mahaffey,
President, Keith Mahaffey Pools, Inc.
Mr.
Richmond stated the petition is relative to an issue best considered by a local
appeals board and is not appropriate for a declaratory statement. He continued stating the petition will be
dismissed with no action required by the Commission.
DCA07-DEC-080 by Mike Pella, PE, Kamm
Consulting, Inc.
Mr.
Richmond explained the issues presented in the petition for declaratory
statement and the committee’s recommendations as they appeared in each
Commissioner’s files.
Commissioner
Kim moved approval of the committee’s recommendation. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
RECESS UNTIL WEDNESDAY
Wednesday, May 9, 2007
The meeting of
the Florida Building Commission was called to order by Acting Chairman Richard
Browdy at 8:32 a.m. on Wednesday, May 9, 2007, at the Embassy Suites Hotel,
Tampa, Florida.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT:
Raul L. Rodriguez, AIA,
Chairman
Nicholas D’Andrea, Vice Chairman
Richard
Browdy
Peter
Tagliarini
Gary
Griffin
Christ
Sanidas
James
Goodloe
Herminio
Gonzalez
Hamid
Bahadori
Gary
Griffin
Randall
J. Vann
Jeffrey
Gross
Chris
Schulte
William
Norkunas
Dale
Greiner
Paul
D. Kidwell
Do
Y. Kim
Joseph
“Ed” Carson
Jon
Hamrick
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT:
Steven
C. Bassett
Nanette
Dean
Michael
McCombs
George
Wiggins
Craig
Parrino, Adjunct Member
Doug
Murdock, Adjunct Member
OTHERS PRESENT:
Rick
Dixon, FBC Executive Director
Ila
Jones, DCA Prog. Administrator
Jim
Richmond, DCA Legal Advisor
Jeff
Blair, FCRC
Mo
Madani, Technical Services Manager
CHAIR’S DISCUSSION ISSUES AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Chairman Rodriguez stated before the February Commission
meeting, the Governor’s appointment director, Melanie Dimuzio, had been
contacted on January 25, 2007, regarding the status of Commission
appointments. He explained Ms. Dimuzio
stated the Commissioners whose terms had expired would continue to serve until
appointments were made. He noted at that
time, Ms. Dimuzio had estimated appointments would be made prior to the March
26th -28th Commission meeting. He stated no report was available for the
March Commission meeting. He then stated
he had attempted to contact Ms. Dimuzio April 26th but was not
successful. He reported he had since
sent an email to Ms. Dimuzio respectfully requesting the new appointments be
delayed until August, because the Commission is in the middle of a Code update
process. He noted bringing new
Commissioners up to speed would prove a task before the Code update ends in
August. Chairman Rodriguez stated he had
nothing additional to report on the Commission appointments at this time and
would assume no Commission appointments would be made prior to August.
Chairman Rodriguez then addressed the TAC/Workgroup
appointments. He stated Peggy Greenwell
was appointed to the Accessibility TAC.
He then stated Jim Croce had been appointed to the Special Occupancy
TAC. He thanked both individuals for
agreeing to serve on those TACs.
Chairman Rodriguez continued stating Kenneth Everett will be replacing
Mark Zehnal on the Roofing TAC. He
thanked Mr. Everett for agreeing to serve and recognized Mr. Zehnal for his
service.
Chairman Rodriguez next addressed the Windows
Workgroup. He stated there had been some
water infiltration and related issues identified by the Hurricane Research
Advisory Committee and the Windows Labeling Workgroup. He further stated he was revising the scope
of the Window Labeling Workgroup to work on these issues. Chairman Rodriguez explained the Workgroup is
being renamed as the Windows Workgroup, allowing a wider scope. He stated the Windows Workgroup would be
comprised of all the Window Labeling Workgroup members plus the addition of Joe
Belcher. He stated C.W. McComber had
agreed to remain on the Windows Workgroup in his new role, representing the
wood industry. He listed the members of
the Windows Workgroup: Robert Amoruso, Chuck Anderson, Joe Belcher, Bob Boyer,
Rusty Carol, Jamie Gaskins, Dale Greiner, John Hill, C.W. McComber, John McFee,
Dave Olmstead, Craig Parrino, Roger Sanders, Jim Shock, Steve Strong, Ziggy
Valentine and Dwight Wilkes. He thanked
all members of the Windows Workgroup for agreeing to serve on the committee.
Chairman Rodriguez stated the Budget Committee met on May
8, 2007. He reported the committee
reviewed both 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 budgets.
He stated there had been a recommendation from Commissioner Browdy with
reference to affordable housing and how the Commissioners should integrate the
thought of affordable housing into the consideration when addressing hurricane
and energy issues through the workplan.
He stated Lorraine Ross spoke regarding insurance credits to make sure
there was some coordination between the Florida Energy Commission and the
Florida Building Commission with regard to initiatives for buildings.
REVIEW AND
UPDATE OF COMMISSION WORKPLAN
Mr. Dixon conducted a review of the updated Commission
workplan. (See Updated Commission Workplan May 2007)
Commissioner D’Andrea moved approval of the updated
workplan. Commissioner Browdy entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
SUPPLEMENTAL RULE DEVELOPMENT
WORKSHOP ON RULE 9B-72, PRODUCT APPROVAL
Chairman Rodriguez stated the Product Approval Validation
Workgroup has worked over one year to develop a consensus package of
recommendations regarding the validation requirements of the Product Approval
Rule. He further stated the Workgroup
concluded their work in June 2006 and the Commission reviewed their
recommendations during the fall of 2006.
He then stated the Commission’s Product Approval POC held a special
meeting January 24, 2007, to review proposed changes and provide the POCs
recommendation to the Commission. He
stated the POC met again February 5, 2007, and agreed with additional
recommendations proposed by staff. He
then stated at the February Rule Development Workshop the Commission adopted
the changes recommended by the POC. Chairman
Rodriguez further stated the supplemental workshop is an opportunity for the
public to comment on the proposed revisions before the Commission proceeds with
rule adoption. He then directed the
Commission to Mr. Richmond who served as hearing officer.
Mr. Richmond called the hearing to order.
Mr. Madani stated the POC met the previous Sunday and
addressed a number of proposed changes to the rule. He further stated he had a
list of four items the committee would like incorporated into the record. (See
Product Approval POC Report.).
Mr. Richmond closed the rule development workshop for
9B-72 after no public comments were made.
Chairman
Rodriguez called for a vote to proceed with rule adoption for Rule 9B-72.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval for rule adoption for Rule 9B-72 integrating and noticing
the approved changes recommended by the POC. Commissioner Kim entered a second
to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
LEGISLATIVE
UPDATE
Mr.
Richmond advised the Commission of the error on
SB 2836.
CS/HB 7057
Mr.
Richmond referenced the Mitigation Bill, also known as Senate Bill
1864 as it went through
Session, sponsored by Senator Posey. He
explained the bill went through several gyrations and included the full text
for the Commissioners to review. He
stated if it did not affect the Commission directly, it could affect the
members’ professional or personal lives, as well. He referred to page 8 of the bill, stating
the My Safe Florida Homes grants have now been disallowed for purposes of roof
deck attachments, secondary water barrier roof covering and to reinforce roof
to wall connections. He stated he found
it interesting because later in the bill, on pages 19 and 20, Section 4, the
Wind-Loss Relativity Study conducted by ARA evaluated the requirements of the
Building Code and the relative reduction in losses one could anticipate if the
provisions of the Code were integrated.
He further stated the study was performed to determine appropriate
insurance discounts that should be available if these provisions were
integrated. He then stated the bill
provides for an update to that study, as well, with the inclusion of commercial
construction in the study. He explained
the study would be led and contracted by the Office of Insurance Regulation, but
it requires consultation with the department and the Florida Building
Commission. He stated the indications
from OIR are showing the Commission will be expected to act as active
participants.
Mr. Richmond then referred to Section 5, starting at the
bottom of page 20, looks at Windstorm Loss mitigation and the requirements for
roof and opening protection. He stated
2836 had a mitigation piece in it for some period of time. He explained that piece was stricken when the
bill began to move to prevent conflicting requirements in bills. He stated this contains the mandates that had
been left off of the version 2836. He
stated specifically on page 22, the Commission is required to develop and adopt
the measures that appear on the top of that page including prescriptive
techniques for installation of gable end bracing, criteria for secondary water
barriers for roofs and standards relating to secondary water barriers and
prescriptive techniques for improvement of roof to wall connections in existing
buildings, as well as strengthening and correcting roof decking attachments and
fasteners during re-roofing. Mr.
Richmond explained those have to be developed and adopted by separate rule by
October 1, 2007, to take immediate effect and to be ruled into the next edition
of the Code. He stated on page 23 it
states “a roof replacement must incorporate the techniques of 2 and 4, the
basic secondary water barrier as adopted by the Commission and the requirements
for correcting the roof decking attachment deficiencies. He further stated if a building is seaward
of the 120mph wind line and has an insured value, the value of the structure
not the land, of $300,000.00 or more, the roof to wall connections are required
to be improved upon re-roofing. He
clarified the requirement applies only to site-built single-family residential
structures. He noted the latter provision in C pertains to the opening
protections and states “anytime a permit is pulled with a value of $50,000.00
or more than the work on a building that has an insured value of $750,000.00 or
more are required to add opening protections as required within the code for
new construction”. He stated that
provision is also mirrored in the next section of the bill and basically
provides it as a qualification for Citizens Insurance. He then stated as of January 1, 2009,
essentially if no shutters are on a home that falls within that category, it
will be required to add shutters or find an alternate insurer.
CS/HB
7123
Mr.
Richmond stated this was the Energy Bill and he summarized the bill to
outline what the Commission
is required to do. He explained the
Commission requirements were as follows:
1) The Commission shall convene a work group to develop
a model residential energy efficiency ordinance and would require a report by
March 1, 2008.
2) Another stakeholder group will review the Florida
Building Code for energy construction and look at the cost effectiveness of
that analysis that provided the basis for that provision and look at the
National Energy Conservation Code and ASRE Standards 90.1 and 90.2 in relation
to where the Florida Energy Code is and report back to the legislature by March
1, 2008.
3) The Commission with other stakeholders will implement
a public awareness campaign and develop the campaign to promote energy
efficiency and the benefits pf building green by of January 1, 2008.
Mr.
Richmond stated several items within HB
7123 are also covered by other
stakeholder groups. He explained the Public Service Commission
has a few studies such as creating a new energy governance task force that will
have some input on the bill. He stated
the real key will be trying to get everyone coordinating and on the same page
prior to March 1st to avoid multiple reports from different
governmental groups recommending different things.
CS/HB 2836
Mr.
Richmond stated Section 1 was the Pool Grid Bonding requirement. He
further stated this bill
does adopt an interim provision and suspends application of the National
Electrical Code requirement for copper grid bonding and charges the Commission
with reviewing it and adopting an alternate method. He stated there is no absolute deadline but
it could be rolled into newest edition of the Florida Building Code, as
well. He then stated Section 2 pertains
to gravel roofs and is basically a review of the elimination of gravel roofs by
the International Code. He continued by
stating Section 3 of the bill pertains to licensure and has basically extended
the time period from 90 days to 120 days for a plans examiner or building code
inspector to have his provisional certificate.
He stated this issue was one of Senator Constantine’s and was not
brought up until later in the Session.
He stated the next section was the glitch fix process striking the
limitation upon the conclusion of the triennial update and adding things to
federal or state law as grounds for which we can enter that process. He then stated the next section of the bill
was the genesis of our hose companion which was HB 589. Mr. Richmond explained this does not do
anything different than what already exists in law, but it needed to stay to
match the bills up. He then discussed
the next section which pertains to private provider system which is something
the Senator had worked on. He stated he
had attended several meetings between the Building Officials Association and
Mr. Elswig’s representatives in Tallahassee.
Mr. Richmond then moved forward to the Education
Initiative, on page 9, which needs to be reviewed relative to the glitch he had
previously mentioned. He stated the
intent was to allow the accreditors to do the work and not hold the courses up
for coming before the Commission. He
further stated complaints could be heard and then further action be taken
against the accreditation of the course or the accreditor as necessary. He then stated language still remains that
advanced modules must be approved by the Commission and he was not sure if that
could be deferred to the accreditors.
Mr. Richmond explained it does add two elements to the outreach program
that had not been previously included.
He noted the first was the Disaster Contractors Network, which is a
process by which contractors are trained on integrating mitigation and
techniques into repairs undertaken after a storm. He stated it also tried to hook these
specially trained individuals up with victims of the storm. He noted the other is the Funding of the
Southeastern Builders Conference although not called out by name has been
rolled into this bill and is a product o an appropriation in the last section
of this bill. He explained these items
had been funded through the Residential Construction Mitigation Program, which
has been housed the last few years at the Division of Emergency Management
within the department. He stated the
stakeholders felt it was more appropriate that it come to the Commission in the
Codes Unit at the Department of Community Affairs. He further stated funding was secured from
the Commission’s trust fund and the Commission was also assisted in defending
against a 6 million dollar attack on the Commission’s trust fund to fund the
Black Business Investment Board. Mr.
Richmond then stated the budget staff at the department felt it was a good move
to draw down that balance so it wouldn’t have such a large bulls eye drawn on
it, in the event there are lean budget years in the future.
CS/HB 633
Mr.
Richmond stated these had all been approved by the State Fire Marshal.
He noted Section 12, on page
15, refers to floor modifications and those pertained to the requirements of
sprinklers in existing warehouses that are expanded. He stated SB 404 did pass and this bill had
affirmative language in it that states when a warehouse is expanded it cannot
be required that the existing portion, if it complies with the existing code,
the 2001 edition of the code, to retrofit up to current standards. He further stated there had been a Florida
specific requirement that redirected the results from the model codes in that
regard. He explained this bill was
drafted in an attempt to get that out of SB 404, but they were unwilling to
take that out. He stated if the
Commission moves forward and makes this change to the Code, as it is required
to do at this point, hopefully it can be removed from the law next year. He then stated the last page contains another
piece on energy that was contained in this bill. He noted Senator Constantine serves on the
Florida Energy Commission as one of the legislative representatives and is very
interested in energy.
Mr. Richmond stated this year along with the budget, the
two other main issues were energy and insurance. He further stated this year, for the first
time since the seventies, there was less revenue than last year. He stated the Commission had done pretty well
with the budget from the past year noting all research initiatives were
funded. He further stated there was no
additional $100,000.00 in travel expenses that had been granted last year,
which could pose some difficulty, but the Commission should be able to work
around it.
Commissioner Gross asked what the four modifications were
on page 15 that the Commission has to have a special review.
Mr. Richmond stated those modifications pertain to
sprinkling in an existing warehouse that is being expanded. He explained there is a Florida specific
change that would require the Commission to go back and retrofit the sprinklers
in the existing portion of the building that would not be required under the
International Code. He stated a change
was proposed that was considered by the Fire TAC and it was mistakenly reported
to them that it was not an issue, the International Code was fine and there was
nothing Florida specific that needed to be changed. He further stated Mr. Madani had tried to
correct this, but it had gone through without a second or discussion by the
Fire TAC. He reported this was not the
case and there is something Florida specific changes that require going back
and upgrading the existing sprinkler system.
He stated this bill would take that Florida specific amendment out.
Commissioner Browdy referenced page 15 dealing with the
Florida Building Code compliance and mitigation program and the assignment of a
four year contract to a non-profit. He
stated the legislation specifically states the initial contract date must start
before November 1, 2007. He asked when
the RFP will be published for that particular service and if the Commission
will have the opportunity to review the RFP before it is distributed, given the
fact the Commission’s education component is basically being assigned in its
entirety for the next four years to the nonprofit.
Mr. Richmond responded the bill has to be issued into a
law before any RFP can be issued based on it, which could be within the next
six weeks. He stated in terms of the
review of the RFP, the key will be speed in getting it out the door. He explained to the extent that it can be
done, a draft would be brought to the Commission for review and comments. He stated if it is a matter of getting the
bill signed shortly after this meeting or possibly the next meeting chances
would be the RFP would have to be put out before the next meeting of the
Commission.
Chairman Rodriguez asked if the Commission had to wait
for the bill to be signed before it begins to develop the RFP.
Ms. Jones responded a proposed RFP draft could be
submitted to the Commission at the June meeting.
Mr. Richmond stated he wanted to discuss some other items
that are not in the Commissioners packets.
He stated carbon monoxide went through as a lighter version of the
initial versions of that bill. He
explained it does defer to the Commission’s rule making authority. He stated the comment period is still open on
amendments. He further stated he would
upload a copy of the bill as a comment to the changes that have been
considered. He then stated there were no
exemptions for mausoleums and columbaria.
He stated Senator Christ was not aware of the impact of the language
that was placed in his bill and is adamantly opposed to exempting these from
the Code. He views them as potential for
great liability for local governments in the event people do not keep up with
their obligation to maintain them.
Chairman Rodriguez stated Mr. Dixon would review the
workplan updates to reflect the legislature’s mandates to the Commission.
Commissioner Norkunas stated one of the things missing
from the Commissioner’s packets was any changes to the 553.75 (5) for
consideration of issuing binding opinions for accessibility. He further stated he had in-depth discussions
with staff and stated he would be strongly advocating the Commission to bring
some changes to that section. He stated
he would be working with the Accessibility TAC.
He continued by stating he had concluded too many people have their own
opinions on Chapter 11 and while he did not think binding opinions would really
work he is now sold that there needs to be a central focus for binding
opinions. He then stated he had been
advised perhaps in October when the next legislative package comes in if a
strong enough argument is made to the Commission the changes could possibly be
included in the next legislative package.
Mr. Dixon stated the Commissioner’s information packages
were printed on Friday prior to the legislative session’s end later that
evening so he would be going through the items projected on the screen. (See Updated
Commission Workplan May 2007)
Energy
Commissioner Greiner asked if it were possible to fold
some of those items from the Energy TAC into this.
Mr. Dixon answered yes and offered background information
on item #2. He stated the Florida Energy
Code was based on a cost/benefit analysis which established cost effective
minimum criteria or energy performance levels.
He further stated the last time the full evaluation was done was 1985 and
that since that time evaluation had been done in pieces and not as a system
whole. He explained this effort is to
look at the entire building as a system to identify what would be cost
effective measures that establish a required performance level. The analysis
will be based on current technologies, current pricing of energy, current
pricing of money, etc. Mr. Dixon further
stated one of the requirements of current law is the Energy Code must be cost
effective and the definition of cost effective under the Energy Code is cost
effective to the consumer. He then
stated this exercise is to determine if there are more opportunities to require
better energy efficiency for buildings, in a manner that would not adversely
affect the consumer. He concluded by
stating the TACs items and issues would be folded into that analysis.
Electrical
Bonding and Grounding of Pool Decks
Commissioner Greiner stated, if there is a rule
development workshop in June there wouldn’t be enough time for that to roll
into the 2007 Code.
Mr. Dixon responded there are two steps, one is a quick
implementation for an alternative to what is in the currently recognized
edition of the NEC and the other is 2007 Code also recognizing that
alternative. He stated the 2007 can be
fixed and integrated in through the glitch fix cycle, which would begin in
2008. He stated there are a number of
items that can be fixed in the glitch cycle.
He then stated there are opportunities for doing things quicker than he
is recommending, but the issue is how these would be tracked. He stated the concept is to try and address
all of the Code changes directed by the Legislature in a common way so they can
be tracked and make sure they are done appropriately and on time.
Gravel and Stone
Roofing Systems
No comments or questions from the commissioners.
Warehouse Expansions & Sprinkling Existing
Portions of Expanded Warehouses
No comments or questions from the commissioners.
Energy Code
Evaluations
No
comments or questions from the commissioners.
Carbon Monoxide
Detectors
No
comments or questions from the commissioners.
Notification of Delayed Implementation of Internal
Pressure Design Option
No
comments or questions from the commissioners.
Windloss Mitigation Studies
Commissioner
Greiner asked if everything handled through the glitch process will be included
in the 2007 Code after it is printed and prior to effective date.
Mr.
Dixon stated that was correct. They will be provided with the other glitch
amendments.
Commissioner Greiner asked if the inclusions will be in
the form of fold-in pages or replacement pages.
Mr. Dixon stated if there were a few glitches, which do
not take up a lot of space, there may not be any replacement pages and it could
be done as a supplement.
Commissioner Greiner asked how far prior to the effective
date all of these would culminate.
Mr. Dixon stated it is listed in the workplan and the
Glitch Rule is effective almost immediately before the Code takes effect. He added those items will have already been
adopted and be in effect under the current code before the 2007 code goes into
effect.
Commissioner Browdy asked if the additional items would
be enforced by statute prior to the rule being in effect.
Mr. Dixon stated they would be adopted by a separate
administrative rule. He further stated
the rule for the Building Code is Rule 9B-3.047 and the Code is then a
reference document of that rule. He
stated Mr. Richmond had created a way of dealing with the situations where code
changes have to be done immediately. This new method would adopt the criteria
in a separate rule, i.e. something like a 9B-3.048 rule which establishes
criteria and is enforced as it soon as it gets through Chapter 120 rule
adoption. He explained that rule would
be folded into the Building Code reference document in the future.
Commissioner Browdy stated it is quite an integration
process and asked if the insurance mitigation part and the issues relating to
rules of implementation of insurance credits, which also implies within the
rule itself there will have to be some type of financial formula to rebate
dollars back to consumer who used that.
Mr. Dixon responded he did not see those items going into
the Code.
Commissioner Browdy asked if it would be more like a
supplement to the existing Building Code.
Mr. Dixon explained what would go into the Code with
respect to Wind Resistance Mitigation are just techniques for secondary water
sealing, the additional nailing requirement is already in the Code. He stated the secondary water barrier i.e.;
sealing the joints where the structural sheathing matches up, is a new
requirement and there would be certain techniques that are recognized by the
Code and a building official could accept.
He explained there is no prescriptive method currently in the Code that
the Building Official can recognize via the Code so they are requiring
engineering and using the alternative methods and materials authority in the
Code.
Commissioner Browdy asked how the consumer is going to
receive the insurance benefits if their house meets the requirements of the new
mitigation rule.
Mr. Dixon stated that is not a Building Department
function.
Commissioner Kim stated it was his understanding the
research ARA has done with loss of relativity studies would take into account
the mitigation that was required by the Building Code. He explained that information would be
forwarded to the Department of Financial Services and they would be the ones
requiring insurance companies to adhere to those mitigation credits.
Commissioner Browdy stated he still did not understand
how these insurance companies are going to know the mitigation techniques that
are not integrated into the Code.
Commissioner Kim stated it would be whatever is currently
in the system and an inspection by a recognized inspector or an affidavit by a
contractor or engineer.
Mr. Madani stated the system currently in place relies on
an affidavit from either the engineer or someone who has reviewed the plans for
that building and has certified that such techniques had been used because
there are certain things that cannot be inspected.
Mr. Dixon stated, with respect to how the roofing upgrade
is determined, presumably the roofing contractor would certify for the
homeowner that when the building was re-roofed it was done so in accordance
with the requirements of the law. He
further stated it is not proposed to create any new requirements that are not
written into the law this session.
Commissioner Gross asked how the Commission was going to
release the three immediate items.
Mr. Dixon stated those items would be in the form of a
2007 supplement.
Mr. Dixon asked for a motion to amend the workplan.
Commissioner Greiner moved approval of the updated
workplan as amended. Commissioner
Schulte entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Mr. Dixon stated another motion was needed to initiate
rulemaking for establishing mitigation requirements and standards, alternative
electrical bonding for pool decks, and requirements for carbon monoxide
detectors in the proximity of sleeping rooms for homes that have fuel burning
appliances, fireplaces or detached garages.
Commissioner Greiner moved approval of the motion as
stated. Commissioner D’ Andrea entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Mr. Richmond stated if he could get contingent approval
for a conference call during the week of special session on the property taxes
once legislation is back it only takes two thirds vote to approve the
call. He further stated he believed the
call would be most beneficial placed midway through session to determine if
anything developed.
Chairman Rodriguez asked if the call should be planned
for Monday, June 18th at 10:00am.
Mr. Richmond stated Monday, June 18th would be
a good time for the call.
Commissioner Greiner moved approval of the conference
call for June 18th at 10:00am.
Commissioner Schulte entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Mr. Dixon recognized Mr. Richmond’s efforts in keeping
track of legislative activity prior to the results being released, which
enabled the Commission to have influence and resulted in deference to the
Commission to develop technical criteria rather than having the specifics
written into law.
Chairman Rodriguez thanked Mr. Richmond for his efforts.
Mr. Richmond stated he would also recognize the efforts
of the stakeholder groups. He noted
those groups did a lot of the work this year and stated everyone worked on a
united front pursuing common interests.
Commissioner Greiner stated it was nice, after all these
years, to have people looking to the Commission for input.
CONSIDER
COMMITTEE REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS:
Accessibility TAC
Commissioner Gross presented the report of the
Accessibility TAC. (See Accessibility TAC Minutes May 7, 2007).
Commissioner Gross moved approval for the Commission to
explore the possibility of the Florida Building Commission and the Federal
Access Board to work together in training.
Commissioner D’ Andrea entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Commissioner Greiner moved approval to accept the
report. Commissioner D’ Andrea entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Code
Administration TAC
Commissioner D’ Andrea presented the report of the
Code Administration TAC. (See Code Administration TAC Minutes May 8, 2007).
Commissioner Browdy moved approval to accept the
report. Commissioner Greiner entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion carried
Electrical
TAC
Commissioner Carson presented the report of the Code
Administration TAC. (See Electrical TAC Minutes May 8, 2007).
Commissioner D’ Andrea moved approval to accept the
report. Commissioner Tagliarini entered
a second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion carried
Energy TAC
Commissioner Greiner presented the report of the Fire
Technical Advisory Committee. (See Energy TAC Minutes May7, 2007)
Commissioner D’ Andrea moved approval to accept the
report. Commissioner Schulte entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Fire TAC
Commissioner D’ Andrea presented the report of the Fire
Technical Advisory Committee. (See Fire TAC Minutes May 8, 2007)
Commissioner Browdy moved approval to accept the
report. Commissioner Greiner entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Joint Fire
TAC/Fire Code Advisory Council
Commissioner D’ Andrea presented the report of the Joint
Fire TAC/Fire Code Advisory Council.
(See Joint Fire TAC/Fire Code
Advisory Council Meeting Minutes May 8, 2007)
Commissioner Browdy moved approval to accept the report.
Commissioner Carson entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Mechanical TAC
Commissioner Griffin presented the report of the
Mechanical TAC. (See Mechanical TAC Meeting Minutes May 7, 2007)
Commissioner Browdy moved approval to accept the report.
Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Plumbing TAC
Commissioner
Vann presented the report of the Mechanical TAC. (See Plumbing
TAC Meeting Minutes May 7, 2007)
Commissioner Goodloe moved approval to accept the report.
Commissioner Gonzalez entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Roofing TAC
Commissioner
Schulte presented the report of the Mechanical TAC. (See Roofing
TAC Meeting Minutes May 7, 2007).
Commissioner Vann moved approval to accept the report.
Commissioner Browdy entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Structural TAC
Commissioner Kim presented the report of the Structural
TAC. (See Structural TAC Meeting Minutes May 7, 2007)
Commissioner Carson moved approval to accept the
report. Commissioner Goodloe entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Education POC
Chairman
Browdy presented the report of the Education POC. (See Education
POC Meeting Minutes May 8, 2007)
Commissioner
Browdy requested the Commission’s approval of course BCIS
234 Advanced New Building Updates FBC with 2005/2006
Supplements.
Commissioner Greiner moved approval of the
course. Commissioner Gross entered a
second to the motion. Vote to approve
the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Commissioner
Browdy requested the Commission’s approval of course FBC
Advanced 2004 Residential Floors, Walls and
Roofs.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the course. Commissioner Kim entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Commissioner
Browdy explained course 551.1 2004
Advanced Code IEQ Overview was deferred to make sure the course contained
at least 50% of the FBC related agenda and will be reconsidered at the next Commission
meeting.
Commissioner Browdy then asked for the Commission’s
approval, in the form of a consent agenda, of the following courses which were
updated courses to the 2006 Supplement of the FBC:
Advanced Code
Mechanical Energy 82.1
Advanced
Code Mechanical Energy Internet Course 83.1
Advance
Code Plumbing Fuel Gas 80.1
Advanced
Code Plumbing Fuel Gas 81.1
A motion was entered to approve the consent agenda. A second to the motion was entered. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Commissioner
Schulte moved approval to accept the report. Commissioner Vann entered a second
to the motion. Vote to approve the
motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Product Approval/Prototype
Buildings/Manufactured Buildings POC
Commissioner Carson presented the report of the Product
Approval/Prototype Buildings/Manufactured Buildings POC. (See Product
Approval/Prototype Buildings/Manufactured Buildings POC Meeting Minutes May 8,
2007)
Commissioner Carson stated no RFP respondents were
submitted for Prototype Building Administrator. He further stated the POC voted to
temporarily suspend the Prototype Building Administrator program until interest
warrants restarting the program.
Mr. Richmond explained there is no means or mechanism to
formally suspend the rule. He stated the
Commission can repeal it and if the interest develops, readopt it.
Commissioner Greiner asked if this was a legal way of
suspending the rule and then appealing and reinstituting it if necessary.
Mr. Richmond explained there is no legal way to suspend
the rule.
Commissioner Greiner asked if the Commission would have
the ability to reconsider it.
Mr. Richmond responded stating the Commission does have
the authority to bring it back as a new rule, through the adoption process.
Commissioner Browdy stated he believed the Prototype
Building Program is one of the best programs the Commission has created. He further stated he did not believe the
program was successfully marketed to the public. He continued by stating the program offered
tremendous opportunities to accelerate the plan approval process by having
statewide approval type programs that could be utilized throughout the state of
Florida. He further stated he believed
it to show the one element the FBC is about, a unified code. He then stated he did not believe the program
should be suspended because no one submitted an RFP for the administration of
that program. He suggested the
Commission find an alternative such as contracting with BOAF to do statewide
plan approval when plans are submitted to the department for that particular
effort. He stated ARA was not successful
in marketing the program. He further
stated it is still a great program and he would discourage the Commission from
letting it cease.
Commissioner Greiner stated he had two concerns: 1) the
time it would take to bring it back up if it were repealed and 2) existing
plans that are still in process and how they will proceed. He then entered a motion to approve the POC
research working with BOAF to handle the program prior to appealing the
program.
Mr. Richmond stated the program was sent out for new
bids, but there were no responses. He further stated at this point, the program
can be placed out for bid again. He then
stated the problem would be the contract with ARA has expired or will expire
soon. He explained at the expiration of
that contract, anyone can submit a set of plans to the department and the
Commission will have to approve them.
Commissioner Greiner asked since no one placed a bid, and
if the ARA contract ends, whether the Commission could decide to allow BOAF to
handle those until the Commission runs another bid process.
Chairman Rodriguez asked why the program could just not
be put up for bid again.
Mr. Richmond explained the contract ends long before the
next FBC can select a contract. He
stated there is an extended process of putting the bid out and then selection
process, during that interim the Commission would be responsible for plans
approval under the time constraints of Chapter 120.
Chairman Rodriguez asked if it was possible to put it up
for bid and go through the selection process prior to the June meeting and if
not, could the Commission then take the necessary action before the Commission
becomes responsible for approving any plans submitted.
Mr. Richmond stated at that point if there had been no
response there would be a gap because initiation of rule making to repeal the
rule would not have begun.
Ms. Jones
interjected the bid could be sent out again, but a contract would not be in
place by July 1st. She stated
ARA’s contract ends June 30th.
Chairman Rodriguez asked if the contract with ARA could
be extended for 30 days considering the circumstances.
Ms. Jones stated the contract could be extended, but it
was ARA who has requested to be relieved of their contract.
Chairman Rodriguez stated if they have a contract, they
will need to honor it until the Commission can find another solution. He further stated the issue is very important
and there is a risk of exposure.
Mr. Dixon stated the purpose for the program originally
was not for the commercial public, as that segment of the industry expressed no
interest in the program to the study commission that created it. He explained the purpose of the program was
to appease the state Department Management Services , who was the Building
Department and construction manager for all state buildings. He further explained the new code systems
gave local governments jurisdiction over state buildings. He stated DMS Secretary Bill Linder was
building standardized buildings across the state. He then stated this particular program was to
give him an option of having his plans approved by the state and then have
inspections done by the local jurisdictions.
He stated there could be complaints of the Prototype Building Program
contractor not doing adequate marketing, but they did have people who came to
the table who investigated, large contractors, and people who backed away. Mr. Dixon asked Ms. Jones if there was a
financial commitment through BCIS or other things that are creating an ongoing
financial commitment for the Commission.
Ms.
Jones stated the only financial commitment is the amount the Commission has put
into the development of the BCIS. She further stated the BCIS in currently in
the midst of transferring from one technology to the other. She explained when they get to that point
with prototype, redevelopment for the new BCIS format will be necessary.
Mr.
Dixon suggested the Commission perform an assessment to determine the interest
of the commercial builders and the major residential builders in the program to
determine whether there is sufficient He
added if there is no interest, let it go dormant.
Commissioner
Carson stated the committee shares the same opinion as Commissioner Browdy
relative to the potential of the program, but it does not know how to keep the
ball rolling, so to speak, until that potential is reached.
Commissioner Kim stated he also agrees with both Commissioner
Greiner and Commissioner Browdy. He
further stated he did not understand why the program cannot continue. He then stated he did not believe any plans
had been submitted, but if they had been the Commission could contract with an
outside independent contractor to conduct the reviews to provide the
recommendations and the Commission could approve them.
Mr. Richmond stated there would be a problem in shifting
of funds. He explained if an independent contractor were hired, the payment for
their services would have to come from the Commission’s budget. He further stated the funds reimbursed from
the entity submitting the plans would go into the general fund. He stated in the past funds went directly
from the applicant to the reviewer.
Ms. Jones stated contracts are engaged, but are generally
the result of RFPs. She further stated
in most instances contracts are not implemented without some type of bid.
Commissioner Kim stated there had been five or six
contracts within the Structural TAC that had no RFPs.
Ms. Jones asked which ones he was referring to.
Commissioner Kim stated when the prescriptive
requirements were being developed for the residential code.
Ms. Jones stated she was not sure what he was referring
to, but RFPs are prepared.
Mr. Madani stated there are small consultants which are
utilized to do review for very minor contracts.
Ms. Jones stated those are also done in response to bids.
Chairman Rodriguez asked if the ARA contract which is
soon to expire is paid on a per review basis.
Ms. Jones explained the money goes directly to ARA from
the vendor.
Mr. Richmond suggested a motion to notice a workshop for
the June meeting for repeal of the rule, then at that meeting the Commission
can decide what to do as the next step.
He further stated in the meantime the RFP could be published for a
second time to see if any responses are submitted.
Ms. Jones stated the RFP could run 10-14 days and there
could be responses by the next meeting.
Mr. Richmond stated if responses are received the
Commission could then withdraw from rulemaking at that time and continue with
the program and the new contractor. He
further stated if no responses are received, the repeal is in process and the
Commission would be covered.
Commissioner Browdy stated if the program is looked at as
solely marketing it to contractors alone to be the beneficiaries to the
program, the broader picture will be missed.
He further stated he believed design professionals have the opportunity
to design buildings that have statewide applicability and usage, submit those
designs to the review process and actually market pre-approved plans to be used
statewide throughout Florida. He stated
to his knowledge he did not believe that effort had ever been done by ARA, who
exclusively focused on contractors. He
then stated he appreciated the suggestion, but believed the program should
continue not withstanding ARA’s desire to get out of their contract.
Commissioner Greiner moved approval of a workshop and
republication of the RFP. He stated he
was not convinced that ARA didn’t do a great deal of marketing, whether it was
in the right place or not is another issue.
He then stated he believed the program to be a viable one and one that
should continue. Commissioner Kim
entered a second to the motion.
Chairman Rodriguez stated there are so many owners whose
buildings are across the state, such as Walgreen’s, it is surprising it has not
been utilized.
Commissioner Browdy stated a unified building code is
emblematic.
Mr. Blair restated for clarification the motion is to
issue another RFP and then conduct a workshop to consider repealing the
Prototype Building Program.
Mr. Richmond stated a new contractor may want to tweak
the rule, as well. He explained this
maintains all of the Commission’s options.
Chairman Rodriguez called for a vote on the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Mr. Blair stated there was one additional issue regarding
continuing education requirements for validation entities. He further stated the POC’s recommendation to
the Commission was this was not needed and should be removed from the
workplan. He explained it would require
an action from the Commission.
Commissioner Carson moved approval of the POC
recommendation to remove the concept of continuing education requirements of
the validation entities from the Commission’s workplan. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Commissioner Browdy moved approval to accept the report.
Commissioner Carson entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Window Work Group
Chairman
Rodriguez stated the Window Work Group met in Tampa on April 10, 2007 with a
revised scope to discuss and develop consensus recommendations for a template
for installation instructions submitted for product approval. He further stated the Work Group developed
consensus on product approval and if the Commission agrees with the
recommendation, these recommendations will be implemented under the current
rule effort on 9B-72.
Mr.
Blair presented the report of the Window Work Group. (See Window
Work Group Meeting Minutes April 10, 2007)
Commissioner
Carson moved approval to accept the report.
Commissioner Kim entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
COMMISSION
MEMBER COMMENTS AND ISSUES
Commissioner
Norkunas stated he wanted to share an example of how difficult ADA or Accessibility education
really is. He explained at the St.
Augustine meeting an appellant came before the Commission after he had been
denied based upon disproportionate costs i.e.; the waiver counsel had determined
all costs of a building were included and the person appearing said it should
not be done that way. He then stated he had spoken and advised the Commission
that it was not supposed to count all costs.
He stated at one point he had asked the Chairman if he did not
understand an issue if he could abstain from the vote and the chairman had told
him this was not possible. He continued
stating Mr. Fine appeared before the Commission at this meeting and spoke about
an issue of appeal. Commissioner
Norkunas stated he did not understand a thing that Mr. Fine had said. He further stated when it comes to items he
does not understand he looks to the Commissioners who have the expertise in
specific areas to determine how he would vote, because he did not know what
else to do. He then stated out of the 19
commissioners who were there during that specific vote, 13 did not think he
knew what he was talking about. He
stated the chairman had also once told him every voice is listened to here. He agreed with the chairman. He then stated the 13 members who did not
think he knew what he was talking about or had knowledge that he didn’t have is
their choice. He stated he had since
found this was presented in declaratory statement 233 from 2005. He stated that
declaratory statement states what he and the appellant were stating “the path
of travel obligation triggered by the alteration is limited to those areas
within the tenants lease space”. He
stated he had also brought with him decisions from federal court cases which
maintain it is not 20% of the entire building.
He further stated the issue did come back before the Council and was
granted for a different reason. He further stated there are consequences to
these decisions. He stated the business
Mr. Fine represented was either slowed down or shut down until the waiver was
granted. He concluded by stating he
would add another hour each day to his daily 24 hours of education.
Chairman Rodriguez stated he appreciated Commissioner
Norkunas’ comments. He stated he was
right with respect to the advantage of the Commission having members who each
have an area of expertise, which makes that person the primary advocate for
that which he or she knows best. He then
stated he believed each Commissioner does the best they can do, but only so
much can be done. He concluded by
stating the advocacy and the respect the Commissioners have for each other
carries through.
Commissioner Carson asked if four days meetings could be
avoided, he would appreciate it.
Chairman
Rodriguez responded it would be taken into account.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT
Larry
Schneider,AI of Florida
Mr. Schneider expressed one request on behalf of his
organization that they feel is very logical.
He asked if the Building Code and the Fire Code are adopted in 2008,
whether it could be called the 2008 Code instead of the 2007 Code.
Chairman Rodriguez asked if that could be done.
Mr. Dixon stated there is no prohibition from doing that
but the law states it is done every three years and in essence switching
somewhere in the middle indicates the three year update was not done.
Chairman Rodriguez stated it would be an appearance, but
it has been done in three years. He
further stated because of the rules that have to be followed, the printing,
etc. it comes out in 2008. He asked if
it was worse having a code come out in 2008 that says 2007 or to have someone
doubt that the three year cycle was completed.
Commissioner Greiner stated if they were labeled
differently than the three year cycle it would be confusing as to what version
of the Code was current.
Chairman Rodriguez stated either way it was a
precisionist. He stated it would stay as it is.
REVIEW COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS AND
ISSUES FOR THE JUNE 24, 25, 26 AND 27,
2007 COMMISSION MEETING
Mr. Blair conducted a review of the committee assignments
and issues for the June 2007 Commission meeting.
SUMMARY REVIEW OF MEETING WORK
PRODUCTS
Mr. Blair provided a summary of the meeting work products
that had been accomplished during the Commission meeting. (See Facilitator’s
Report)
ADJOURN
Chairman Rodriguez adjourned the Florida Building
Commission meeting at 10:40 a.m.