Florida Building Commission
Education POC Minutes
August 2006
POC Members Present: Dick Browdy (Chair), Jon Hamrick, Steve Bassett, Herminio Gonzalez, Pete Tagliarini
Meeting Attendees
Don Fuchs Cam Fentriss
Bernice Ryder-Smit Sharon Mignardi
Max Rodriguez Medard Kopczynski
David Lotren Dwight Wilkes
Frank ONeill Bob McCormick
Larry Schneider Michael Ashworth
• Review and Approval of August 2006 Agenda
The Agenda was approved as submitted.
Motion: Herminio Gonzalez
2 nd : Jon Hamrick
Approved Unanimously
• Review and Approval of July 2006 Minutes
The July Minutes were approved.
Motion: Steve Bassett
2 nd : Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
• Discuss the issue(s) of course updating---specifically should the technical core courses be updated with the 2006 supplement code changes, or should the administrative core serve as the only core course. Also, should the current updating, accreditation, and administrative approval process remain the same for the advanced courses being updated with the 2006 supplement.
The Chair asked the Educational Administrator to comment on these issues.
The Educational Administrator said that within 9B-70.002, (3), (f.), it states that “Accreditation of revisions of accredited courses shall be accomplished in the same manner, as described in (a) through (e), except that only the revision submitted shall be subject to review”. The Administrator stated that this language reinforced the request that the current accreditation process be continued to be used for courses being updated with the 2006 code changes. No action was necessary.
The discussion was taken up at this point by Commissioner Bassett, who felt strongly that the Commission should not be selling courses to providers that are not updated to the current code. Instead, the Commission should be giving (no charge/fee) these courses to providers, who will then update them.
At this point, the Chair asked for a motion.
Motion: The Commission should not sell any course(s) that is not up to date with the current version of the Florida Building Code
\ Motion: Steve Bassett
2 nd : Herminio Gonzalez
Affirmed: Two
Opposed: Three
Motion not approved
Their was a subsequent motion by Commissioner Hamrick.
Motion: That providers are responsible to update all courses to the current version of the Florida Building Code (which reaffirms previous Commission actions)
Motion : Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Tagliarini
Affirmed: Four
Opposed: One
Motion approved
After some more discussion, another motion was put forth.
Motion: Core courses that require updating will be given upon request and at no charge to providers, who will then update those courses.
Motion: Steve Bassett
2 nd : Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
4. The following courses were given a “deferred action” in the July Building Commission meeting, as a result of a POC member/Commissioner stating that the base course contained some incorrect information.
The Chair asked Commissioner Bassett for his comments regarding this issue.
Commissioner Bassett stated that his concern regarding this course (Interior Environmental Quality) was based on some mistakes he found in the course, one of which had to do with “asbestos consultation”, which were not directly related to the Florida Building Code, but according to Commissioner Bassett, were nonetheless incorrect. He stated that he talked to the accreditor and the accreditor stated that he only checked for building code inaccuracies. The Chair asked for a motion with language that reflected the “actual approval of accredited courses”, to be used from now on when approving courses. That motion is, “Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content”.
Indoor Environmental Quality
Provider: Design Arts
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS # - 137
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content
Motion: Steve Bassett
2 nd : Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
Advanced Module Indoor Environmental Quality
Provider: JADE Learning
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS # - 165
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content
Motion: Steve Bassett
2 nd : Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
5. Review Pending “Accreditor” Applications for Recommendation to the Commission
(None Pending)
6. Identify future POC member discussion items.
The Chair stated that an issue had been brought to his attention regarding the BOAF Report/Survey, which was conditionally approved at the July POC meeting with certain identified changes needing to be made. The issue itself was that there were mistakes and/or inaccuracies within the report.
The Chair asked Cam Fentriss, the contract administrator under whom the survey/report was prepared, to give some historical information. She stated that the University of Florida 's Rinker School conducted an initial survey, but the response rate was very low. A new survey was proposed and again the University of Florida 's Rinker School developed the instrument. The survey was modified, subsequently sent out, and a link was placed on BOAF's web site.
The Chair stated that surveys such as this one are important, in order to find out what failures are really happening in the field. He further stated that this particular survey was good, but didn't go far enough in its scope.
Mr. Med Kopczynski stated that he felt the survey didn't necessarily ask all of the right questions, thus it didn't collect the right information.
The Chair said that for all practical purposes this survey and final report were accepted by the POC, with one change regarding suggested training courses (a framing course) remaining to be made. He further stated that it is his intention in the near future to appoint an ad hoc committee to create another similar survey (or see to the creation of another survey), which would modify and expand the scope of the current survey.
No action was taken.
7. Summary and Review of Meeting Work Products/Action Items, Assignments, and Next Steps
Commissioner Hamrick stated that the Florida Department of Education has produced a State of Florida School Building Construction Handbook . He further stated that the handbook was downloadable from the FDOE web site.
Adjournment
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Bassett
Approved Unanimously
The following courses were given a “deferred action” during the July POC meeting because they needed to be more thoroughly updated.
Advanced Administration (Internet)
Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction
Accreditor: Contractor's Institute
BCIS # - 90
Motion: The course, Advanced Administration (Internet), shall be removed from the BCIS, as an approved course being taught for license renewal.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Bassett
Approved Unanimously
Advanced Administration
Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction
Accreditor: Contractor's Institute
BCIS # - 89
Motion: The course, Advanced Administration, shall be removed from the BCIS, as an approved course being taught for license renewal.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Bassett
Approved Unanimously
Residential Code (Internet)
Provider: Gold Coast School of Construction
Accreditor: Contractor's Institute
BCIS # - 75
Motion: The course, Residential Code (Internet), shall be removed from the BCIS, as an approved course being taught for license renewal.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Bassett
Approved Unanimously
The following courses were “conditionally approved” during the July POC meeting, based on the specific change of taking the word “core” out of the title.
4 Hour Advanced Administrative Core Code
Provider: Contractor's Institute
Accreditor: Tanenbaum Construction, Inc.
BCIS # - 123
Motion: To rescind the previous action of “conditional approval” by the Commission, and to be re-submitted for approval at a later Commission meeting
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Tagliarini
Approved Unanimously
4 Hour Advanced Administrative Core Code (Internet)
Provider: Contractor's Institute
Accreditor: Tanenbaum Construction, Inc.
BCIS # - 124
Motion: To rescind the previous action of “conditional approval” by the Commission, and to be re-submitted for approval at a later Commission meeting
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Tagliarini
Approved Unanimously
The following courses, under the ‘Accredited, Pending FBC Approval” status, were approved by the POC.
Advanced 2004 FBC Bldg/Struc. Summary
Provider: Contractor's Educational Services
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS # 196
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Tagliarini
Approved Unanimously
Advanced Code: Building/Struc. (Internet)
Provider: Nodorah Training Institute
Accreditor: Tanenbaum Construction, Inc.
BCIS # 194
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Tagliarini
Approved Unanimously
Updated Course Approvals (Administrative Approvals)
The course listed below has been updated with the 2005 Code Supplement. The chair asked for a Consent Agenda approval for the course.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
2 nd : Steve Tagliarini
Approved Unanimously
2004 Advanced Bldg./Structural
Provider: P. Paul Ridilla
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
Accredited: 7/18/2006
BCIS # - 193
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