FLORIDA BUILDING COMMISSION

WELCOME

Chairman Rodriguez welcomed the Commission, staff and the public to Tampa for the June 2009 plenary session. He stated there would not be a split plenary session for the June meeting, in order to provide additional time for key workgroup meetings. He then stated the primary focus of the meeting was to conduct current rule development initiatives. He stated the Commission would conduct three rule adoption hearings including the glitch code amendments and a cost effectiveness test for amending the Florida Energy Code. He then stated there would be two rule development workshops. He thanked the stakeholders for their efforts at the Legislature on behalf of the Commission. He also thanked DCA staff whose efforts helped minimize the negative impacts of staffing and funding. He continued by stating the Commission budget did take a 10% cut and 2 staff positions were lost. He stated although spending authority was reduced by 10% there remain insufficient funds to support the budget for fiscal year 2009-2010. He further stated the reason was due to declining receipts from the building permit surcharge fund. He stated the issue would be discussed further during the meeting.

Chairman Rodriguez explained if anyone wished to address the Commission on any of the issues being considered, they should sign the attendance sheet and as always, the Commission would provide an opportunity for public comment on each of the Commission’s substantive discussion topics. He stated if anyone wanted to comment on a specific substantive Commission agenda item, they should go to the speaker’s table so the Commission knows they wish to speak. He concluded by stating public input was welcome, and should be offered before there is a formal motion on the floor. He further stated there was an evaluation form available at the speaker’s table and welcomed anyone who would like to fill those out to do so. He stated doing so would provide the Commission information on what it was doing right and what could be improved upon.

COMMISSIONER SELF INTRODUCTIONS

Chairman Rodriguez stated the Commission would continue today with self introductions. He further stated there had been a very active turnover of Commission appointments. He stated the process of introductions began with Commissioner Gross. He then stated the Commissioners who sat on the Commission for longer introduced themselves at the last Commission meeting. He further stated those Commissioners who were recently appointed would do their introductions at this meeting.

Commissioner Boyer stated he represented the municipal county charter government in Florida. He then stated he was employed by the Palm Beach County Building Department as a Codes and Products Training Coordinator this month. He explained his position changes frequently with the economy. He stated he had worked with Palm beach County for 24 years and had been involved with the Florida Building Code since it was in the development process. He further stated he was a past president of the Building Officials Association of Florida and of the Building Officials Association of Palm Beach County. He then stated he currently held standard licensing in inspection and plans review for all disciplines, a 102 license and a code administrator license. He further stated he had served on many different committees, workgroups and TACs both within the state and nationally as well as the International Code Council and the Southern Building Code. Commissioner Boyer stated he began in the field in the early 60’s growing up in an industrial town where he worked in heavy industrial for a few years before starting a side business and getting into residential work. He stated when he decided to relocate to Florida he made a total career change. He worked 16 hours each day when he worked up north. He then stated there was hope for anyone involved in the construction industry. He stated the town he left in the mid-80s with a 29% unemployment rate had bumper stickers saying “last one out”, but the town had since bounced back. He further stated he had been married for 42 years, had served in the Army for a couple of years and there was not much more to tell. He concluded by stating he was a friend to all and would work with everyone he could to do what was necessary to get to the Commission’s goals.

Commissioner Gregory stated he was president and part owner in Holland Commercial Pools in Orlando and stated he had been in the pool business for over 30 years. He then stated he was like most pool contractors as he did not choose the career but sort of wound up in it. He continued by stating after flying airplanes around the world a few years in the Air Force, he realized his education in electrical engineering had passed him by so he went back to school. He stated while he was in school he worked for a friend of his cleaning pools. He stated then after he graduated from UNLV he had made more money that year cleaning swimming pools than he could make working with ??, so he stayed with the pool business. Commissioner Gregory continued by stating he had served on many national and local boards, the Florida Swimming Pool Association, and the APSP. He stated he got involved with the Florida Building Commission back in 2002 when he was appointed to the Plumbing TAC and for the last seven years he had seen the tumultuous changeover in the industry. He further stated he was proud to say the industry stuck in there and finally retained a seat for a swimming pool contractor on the Florida Building Commission. He then stated he was honored when the United Pools Association and the Florida Pool Association and others supported his appointment. He concluded by stating he was here to serve and hoped to bring that perspective to the Commission.

Commissioner Mollan stated he represented the mechanical contractors for the Florida Building Commission and was also a member of the Mechanical TAC. He then stated he was born in Glen Ellyn, Illinois, about 40 miles outside of Chicago on October 21, 1957. He further stated he spent the next 20 years in the Chicago area before moving to Atlanta, Georgia to escape the wonderful winters of Chicago. He stated he started working in the air conditioning trade as a helper and over the next five years he worked in various projects both in and out of town. He then stated in 1983 he moved to South Florida where he continued working in the air conditioning field becoming a state licensed air conditioning contractor in 1989. He further stated in 1984 he started the air conditioning division at Advanced Roofing qualifying them as an air conditioning contractor. He continued by stating the division had grown from one helper and himself to over 20 employees maintaining a fully functional service department as well as completing all roof related air conditioning work for Advanced Roofing. He stated he had been married to his wife, Janet, for 22 years and they have one 14 year old daughter. He further stated Janet works as an administrative assistant for the Broward County School Board and Megan recently graduated St. Andrews Catholic School and will be attending Cardinal Gibbons High School in the fall. He then stated his family has lived in Coral Springs for over 20 years and they enjoy many outdoor activities. He further stated in his spare time he coaches his daughter’s volleyball team. He stated he was glad to have the opportunity to tell a little bit about himself and looked forward to working with the Commissioners in the future.

Commissioner Palacios stated… inaudible first 30 seconds of his introduction…then came to the United States, went to Enwood Elementary School in Winter Haven. He stated he moved to Miami and attended Ponce Junior High School, and graduated in 1967 from Coral Gables High School. He further stated in 1971 he received a bachelor’s degree in engineering from the University of South Florida. He stated he worked with First Mechanical Contractor from 1971 until 1983 when he opened his own company. He continued by stating he was both a licensed mechanical contractor and a professional engineer. He stated he was a past president of the local ASHRAE chapter and of the local Mechanical Contractors of America chapter. He then stated from 1996-2002 he was with the Construction Industry Licensing Board and was chairman the last year. He further stated he had been actively involved in the democracy movement and his wife was a human rights activist.

Commissioner Schock stated he had been appointed to the Commission to fill the remaining term of Christ Sanidas as a building official representative. He further stated his term ends in January 2011 at which time he would be reappointed. He continued by stating after high school he received an associate degree in architecture from the Pennsylvania Institute of Technology after he which he served in the in the Army Corp. of Engineers. He stated after being honorably discharged from service he began work at United Engineers of Philadelphia and simultaneously began attending school at Drexler University. He further stated he graduated from Drexler with a degree in Civil Engineering with a Structural major and an Environmental minor. He then stated he left United Engineers 9 years later as a design supervisor where he had worked on projects of all types (anything from railroad design to the structural design of power plants). He continued by stating when he left United Engineers he went IU Conversion systems as its structural engineer. He stated he became registered as a structural engineer in several states including Florida. He then stated he came to Florida to construct a facility for which he was the engineer of record. He further stated he always felt the very best engineers who he gained experience from were the ones who had a combination of both field and office experience, which was a goal he wanted to achieve. He then stated he spent the next 14 years in construction acting as construction manager on some projects and quality assurance inspector on others. He continued by stating the projects included such things as N.A.S. Hospital, Jacksonville, N.A.S. Hospital, Portsmith, Plating Shop in Jacksonville, War Gaming Facility, Carlisle, PA, Post Tension Parking Structures in Virginia and Washington and the Naval Air School in Pensacola.

Commissioner Schock stated based on his design and construction experience he began work for the City of Jacksonville Building Department 13 years ago and had managed the division for the past 11 years. He then stated at its peak there were 130 clerks, inspectors and plans examiners. He continued by stating while he was a new Commissioner he was not new to the Commission. He stated he had served on the Fire TAC almost since its inception, as well as the Private Provider Workgroups 1 & 2, Termite Workgroup, Window Labeling Workgroup, Hotel Accessibility Charette, Bedroom Definition Workgroup, Roofing Mitigation Workgroup, Soffitt Workgroup, Accessibility Rewrite Workgroup, Floodplain Workgroup, and the Green Building Group. He further stated he had been recently appointed to the Structural TAC and the Hurricane Research Advisory Committee. He continued by stating he was also certified as an inspector and plans examiner of all trades, a certified building official, and an ICC master code professional. He stated he was a professional engineer, and a special inspector on threshold buildings. He further stated he was the immediate past president of the First Coast Chapter BOAF and the past chairman of the St. Johns County Board of Appeals, for whom he was a continuing education provider for the Board of Engineers. He concluded by stating he had been in construction his whole life and he could not think of a better way to serve the public. He stated he appreciated the friends he had met at the Commission and the people in the audience who show up every time.

Commissioner Stone stated he represented the building materials industry. He then stated he started his professional career in northern Illinois in civil engineering where he worked for two consulting firms and eventually for the city of Aurora Engineering Department from 1965-1969. He further stated he moved to Florida around Thanksgiving of 1969 and he went into the construction property maintenance and janitorial business with a friend and qualified for the ??? County Class B Builders License. He then stated in 1976 he decided to become a City Manager, to that end he and several friends lobbied the University of South Florida to establish a Masters of Public Administration Degree. He further stated in anticipation of the MPA degree he enrolled in the Master of Political Science program and within one year he was able to transfer his credits to the newly established MPA program. He stated he graduated with honors in the initial class in 1979. He continued by stating on the advice of friends to gain government in order to be prepared to be a City Manager he turned over his business to his partner and went to work for the City of St. Pete Beach as a building inspector in 1977. He stated in a short time he was promoted to building official, planner, public works director and labor negotiator. He further stated he became the Assistant City Manager although he was still director of licensing, inspection and planning. He then stated upon the departure of the city manager in 1986 he was promoted to city manager and remained city manager until he resigned in 1994 to venture into other realms including the possibility of attending a professorship at a university. He continued by stating while at St. Pete Beach he continually strived to upgrade service delivery and continually tried to employ the theories he learned in college. He stated, for example, he designed, obtained grants and oversaw the development of the vegetated dunes system along the gulf front. He further stated the vegetated dune system resulted in a significant reduction of annual sand removal expenses and strengthened the communities’ resistance to storms and improved the environment. He continued by stating interestingly he was forced to organize the volunteer effort of concerned citizens to actually plant and water the dunes because there was not enough money for the matching funds. He then stated he had recommended and oversaw three cost savings conversions to privatizations while at St. Pete Beach which included the contracting of a garbage service, parks maintenance, and janitorial services.

Commissioner Stone further stated he had organized a city effort to fund and develop and a regional reclaim water utility which services the communities of South Pasadena, St. Pete Beach and Terra Verde. He then stated he had also instituted changes to the city’s administrative processes in an effort to improve communication and decision making with the administration, between the administrations and between the Commission and their boards. He stated he had established performance budgeting and it was the first time a small local government in the Pinellas County area had performance budgeting. He then stated he instituted the use of the one page memo for communication. He continued by stating he restricted staff and the decision making processes with the Commission and the elected boards. He further stated he expected staff to provide unbiased information on good or bad issues and prohibited them from lobbying for positions which were beneficial to them or their limited constituencies. He then stated he demanded staff provide useful, concise background information on issues that provided proper options and more options for consideration.

Commissioner Stone stated when he was assistant city manager he considered being a full time professor since he had been teaching administration at USF since 1991. He further stated a fellow graduate who was a member of the St. Pete police department and he enrolled in a pirate USF doctoral program in public administration. He continued by stating fortunately they were able to take most courses at USF but in 1985 they were required to spend two fulltime semesters at FSU to serve a residency. He stated while his friend was able to live on campus while taking a sabbatical, he had to commute between St. Pete Beach and Tallahassee in order to continue working nearly fulltime in order to support his family, typically leaving Sunday nights for Tallahassee attending classes Monday through Wednesday. He then stated he would return to St. Pete Beach on Wednesday nights to review plans, issue building permits, and perform other administrative functions Thursday through Sunday. He further stated his professors at FSU did not know he was commuting and when he took his comprehensive exams if they had known they would have prohibited him to continue. He stated he was working on his dissertation for about five years when the department threatened to kick him out of the program so in 1991 he closeted himself away in Hollywood for 10 days and wrote over 300 pages of a dissertation which went through one minor edit. He stated in 1992 he was awarded his Ph.D. in public administration.

Commissioner Stone stated his dissertation was on public controversies, primarily on the application of sound business practices in government. He further stated he despised the bureaucratic behavior and poor decision making of typical governmental entities, which his dissertation addressed. He then stated his professors encouraged him to rewrite the dissertation for popular consumption but before he could find time to do so the award winning book “Reinventing Government” hit the bookshelves and his opportunity was lost. He continued by stating following his resignation from St. Pete Beach in 1994 he was contacted by the Southern Building Code Congress to write its 1994 commentary to the standard code. He stated he had been very active in the SBCCI since the early 1980s serving as chair of one of the original windload committees. He further stated he typed the original ??? to comply standard for single family dwellings and the initial draft of SBCCI’s ???-10?. He then stated within a few months of his departure from the city he was also contacted by the American Paper and Forest Association and by the DuPont Dumoors Company to represent their issues in hurricane resistive issues in code development. He further stated he was also contacted by a national public management consulting firm to assist them in performing operation reviews and service studies of local governments from Florida to North Carolina. He then stated in 1996 the APFA asked him to become full time to represent them in the southeast and internationally in codes and standards. He further stated he worked with APFA until 2009 when he volunteered for a reduction in force. He continued by stating since February 2009 he has had his own business and continued to represent APFA as a contractor in the standards development activities of ASTM’s E6 on sustainability and ASHRAE’s program committee 189.1, developing a standard for a High Performance Green Building. He further stated his work with the Commission was strictly voluntary. He concluded by stating he had been married to his junior high sweetheart for over 45 years and they have three lovely workaholic daughters and six loving grandchildren. He then stated his wife was often called St. Linda and his code officials stated it was a comparison between her and himself.

Commissioner Smith stated he was representing the Green Building Industry on the Building Commission. He then stated he was the president of Two Trails?, a green building consulting company based out of Sarasota. He further stated he was a 1978 transplant from Troy, NY where he was born and raised and had been involved in the construction business his entire life. He continued by stating he began his career very young in the building industry working with his dad who was also in construction. He stated he also worked summers with his grandfather in the plumbing trade, starting when he was age 5. He further stated he plumbed his first house with his grandfather at age 10. He then stated he had architectural drafting and design all four years of high school, including designing a weight training room for the school his senior class year. He continued by stating he received a drafting scholarship and continued with his college career. He stated he received a B.A. in Architectural Design and as well as an MBA. He further stated throughout college he worked for builders as a draftsman and also a superintendent. He then stated while still in college he was given the opportunity to take his general contracting exam and he passed. He continued by stating within 6 months he decided building homes would be more fun than just drawing them. He stated at age 21 he built his first model home in the Pasco County Parade of Homes winning two awards, which started his career in the construction business off and running. He further stated for the next 7 years he built homes and did major renovations on buildings, commercial and residential, throughout the Tampa Bay region. He then stated in 1990 he was elected president of the Pasco County Builders Association, as the youngest builder to ever hold that title. He continued by stating at that point he decided a change from field to office was needed and he went to work, still in the construction industry, as vice president of purchasing for a local custom home builder. He stated during his career he had the opportunity to build homes to the American Lung Association Health House Standards and during that process he realized building a home to healthy standards was also going to become a very energy efficient home by virtue of the rigorous construction methods that were required.

Commissioner Smith he stated it was an eventful time in his life when he met and married his love and inspiration, his wife Debbie. He further stated during that time he and other likeminded individuals got together and got involved in a new concept for the building industry, thus forming the Green Building Coalition in 2000, which he became the founding president its first two years. He then stated over the next two years he developed, with the help of his wife, a company that took building to the next level and offered ongoing maintenance programs for “greening up” existing homes as well as maintaining the homes being built green to the same level of standards. He continued by stating at that time the birth of Two Trails happened and has since evolved into one of the largest green building consulting firms in the state working on all levels and types of certifications. He stated they worked with both the Florida Green Building Coalition programs as well as lead in NAHP programs. He then stated through the past several years he had many opportunities to serve in many capacities in the Florida Building Industry including: Director on the National Association of Home Builders, Florida Home Builders State Director, Vice-Chairman of the Florida Home Builders Association Green Building Council, Board of Directors of the Florida Green Energy Council, Trustee with the Florida Home Builders Association Foundation, and he was just nominated as 2008’s Builder of the Year in the Sarasota Building Industry Association, chairman of Manatee Sarasota Home Builders Association Green Council, chairman of the USGBC Myakka River Branch Lead for Homes Committee, and Lead AP on the board of directors for 7 years for the Green Building Coalition and he assisted several county and local governmental implementations of their green building ordinances. He stated it had always been his passion to have a positive effect on people and the environment and he believed green building and being a part of the Florida Building Commission was his way of fulfilling that goal.

Commissioner Tolbert stated he was 48 years old and had been in the building industry all of his life, his dad was a general contractor. He then stated he graduated Milton High School in 1980 and attended Pensacola Junior College in 1984 and went to work as a construction superintendent. He further stated in 1994 he was hired by Santa Rosa County as a building inspector, promoted to plans examiner in 1997, promoted to building safety coordinator in 2000, and promoted to the building official position in 2003. He stated Hurricane Ivan hit in 2004 and it was trial by fire. He then stated he had been married to his lovely wife Kelly for 17 years and they have three children Ned, Coy and Neely Kay?? He concluded by stating he appreciated serving on the Florida Building Commission.

Commissioner Turner stated he was on the Florida Building Commission representing the electrical contractors of Florida. He then stated he was born in Detroit, Michigan in 1958 and moved to steel country of Glen Park, Indiana when he was 5 years old, which was where he grew up. He continued by stating he enlisted in the US Army in 1977 and was honorably discharged after four years of service. He stated during his enlistment he met his best friend and his wife of 31 years, with whom he has two children. He then stated he started his first business as a general contractor while he was still in the US Army in Denver, Colorado. He further stated in 1974 his wife wanted to move back home to Holley Nevar, Florida and when they moved he began a small contracting company, which he sold in 1987 so he could attend college fulltime. He stated in 1991 he graduated from the University of West Florida with a bachelor’s degree in Electrical Engineering and an Industrial Technology degree. He further stated while attending college and after he graduated he worked as a co-op engineer for Gulf Power as a distribution engineer and began his present company in August of 1992. He continued by stating currently his most important job was to pray for work and pray for payment for the work that is done. He stated he has served as the president of northwest Florida Electrical Contractors and Association and the Board of Appeals of Santa Rosa County, under Commissioner Tolbert. He stated he attends the local IAEE. He then stated his hobbies include gardening, playing guitar, and riding his motorcycle wherever he can. He further stated he played guitar for the praise and worship team of his church and he rides his motorcycle with a group they call the Broken Chain Freedom Riders. He stated the group rides to jails and prisons telling inmates there was always hope in every circumstance of life they find themselves. He further stated weekly he participates as a mentor for 24-30 boys most of which do not have active father figures in their lives and the goal of the mentoring program was to teach them skills which would give them a chance in growing up to be productive men in society. He concluded by stating he was honored to serve on the Commission and it was his desire to play an active and productive role.

REVIEW AND APPROVE AGENDA

Mr. Blair conducted a review of the meeting agenda as presented in each Commissioner’s files.

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Commissioner Browdy moved approval of the meeting agenda. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the motion.

Vote to approve the motion as amended was unanimous. Motion carried.

REVIEW AND APPROVE APRIL 20, 2009 AND APRIL 27, 2009 TELECONFERENCE MEETING REPORTS, AND APRIL 7, 2009 MEETING MINUTES AND FACILITATOR’S REPORT

Chairman Rodriguez called for approval of the minutes from the April 20, 2009 and April 27, 2009 teleconference reports and the April 7, 2009 meeting minutes and facilitator’s report.

Commissioner Carson stated correction of his company name

Commissioner Greiner moved approval of the teleconference reports and the minutes and Facilitator’s Report from the April Commission meeting as amended. Commissioner Kidwell entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.

CHAIR’S DISCUSSION ISSUES AND RECOMMENDATIONS

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…working at the right hand of Mr. Madani. He asked if Mr. Madani would like to say a couple of things about Betty.

Mr. Madani stated Betty had been his right arm and his left one too. He further stated she had been very dedicated and committed the work she has done, helping the Commission through the entire process of the development of the Florida Building Code putting together binders for the Commission meeting, which were so numerous once a truck had to be rented to get them to the Commission meeting. He then stated one thing about Betty was she never says no and always supported everyone and always takes on more than she can handle. He stated he would miss her and the Commission will miss her.

Chairman Rodriguez stated all of the Commission would miss Betty, but wished her well in her retirement. He then stated because of budget restrictions he was happy to say there would not be a plaque, which he did not feel should necessarily be given to someone like her, taking the hearts of those who work with her instead of a plaque.

Chairman Rodriguez then announced the following appointments to the TACs and workgroups:

Flood Resistance Standards Workgroup

Phillip Wisely representing historic buildings and Tom Allen representing BOAF have both been appointed to the Flood Resistance Standard Workgroup.

Energy TAC

Brent Caldwell was appointed to replace Don Kitner on the Energy TAC.

Plumbing TAC

Jim Bickford was appointed to the Plumbing TAC.

Accessibility TAC and Accessibility Code Workgroup

Catherine Powell was appointed to the Accessibility TAC succeeding Pam Darworth

Chairman Rodriguez then addressed the impact the so-called Chinese Gypsum board was having on the industry. He stated it was safe to say not all Chinese board was contaminated but all of the contaminated drywall discovered to date has its origins in China. He continued by stating the Commission was now formally involved along with DCA in Florida’s action plan for addressing the issue. He then stated testing has to be completed and the causes fully identified but the Commission has been asked to evaluate the gypsum board standard and to make changes needed to prevent the problem from happening again, possibly through code amendments on the 2010 code update process. He further stated DCA was currently in discussions with relevant state agencies including the Department of Health, the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, the Division of the State Fire Marshall and the Department of Environmental Protection. He continued by stating what was known to date was sulphuric acids appear to be causing corrosion of copper including the copper coils in HVHZ air handlers. He stated in some cases the copper coils have had to be replaced three times in a year, which was pretty aggressive. He then stated there were health and safety concerns including respiratory problems, concerns with electrical wiring, gas plumbing and low voltage wiring such as fire alarms. He continued by stating ASTM was currently reviewing the materials standard which currently does not address sulphur content in gypsum. He further stated other agencies were evaluating the issue and conducting tests with no definitive conclusions to date. He then stated once the problem chemical compounds were identified and quantified the materials standards can be adjusted to resolve the problem. He concluded by stating this was in the news and people may ask what the Commission was doing about it and the answer would be once the problems were precisely identified the Commission will be asked to revise the standard.

Chairman Rodriguez then stated one of the most important issues the Commission would be addressing at the June meeting would be the streamlining of Commission proceedings and adjusting fees. He then stated everyone was aware of the economic situation which has resulted in a declining state budget as well as reduced permit surcharge receipts during the past year. He further stated the Commission had made changes to its processes to adapt to a reduced budget and would likely need to continue operating in this mode for at least the coming year. He continued by stating the Commission meetings had been moved from 3 day meetings every 6 weeks to 2 day meetings every 8 weeks and most of the TACs and POCs were meeting by teleconferences when the complexity of the issues being addressed allowed it. He then stated further adjustments will be necessary as the coming fiscal year of 2009-2010. He stated there was a move in the Legislature to reduce the Commission’s budget by 50% including more than a 50% reduction in staff. He continued by stating the Commission survived the Legislative budget cutting plan and on behalf of the Commission he thanked the industry groups who lobby Legislators on behalf of the Commission. He stated he did not want to leave any organizations or parties out of the appreciations but would like to thank the building owners and managers industry as well as the home builders industry for their support, as well as other construction groups who were helpful. He then thanked DCA, who came up with a budget plan supported by the Senate which ultimately prevailed in the Legislature and provided the Commission the opportunity to maintain what was considered a viable level of service to the industry and to the public. He further stated it was a very important point to understand that a budget developed by DCA was based on increasing the fee structure which was something no one liked to ever do, much less during hard times. He stated the Commission had to increase fees in order to provide funding for the Commission operations. He continued by stating the Legislature agreed to provide the spending authority in the budget, but did not provide funds from the general state taxes. He then stated Ila Jones would explain the budget challenge more thoroughly later in the meeting, but the bottom line was building construction was down so the regular revenue sources would not provide enough cash to match the spending authority and as a result the Commission would have to make additional adjustments. He further stated recognizing there would be even less resources than last year meant the Commission would have to adjust its processes again and the fee structure. He continued by stating at the April meeting a committee of Commissioners were appointed to evaluate Commission processes not only for streamlining opportunities but also for ways the Commission could maintain its traditional services with less funding. He then stated the Product Approval POC discussed product approval fees adjustments as well and DCA has initiated modifying other fees which Ms. Jones would describe. He further stated the Commission’s Processes Review Ad Hoc Committee discussed modifying the code development process to continue to be responsive and timely while working with reduced resources. He concluded by stating the Commission was aware any changes it made would have an impact on industry as it would impact code officials. He further stated he wanted to be clear before any final decisions would be made much less implemented there would be ample opportunities provided for stakeholder interests to provide their comments either through the rule workshops or hearings or through comment opportunities provided during separate agenda items. He then stated as a result of reduced Commission meetings and decreased funding some of his concerns moving forward were: 1) maintaining timely product approvals 2) maintaining timely code interpretation for industry and code officials and 3) maintaining the Florida Building Codes consistency with national codes and standards. He stated he would look forward to hearing the committee reports and their recommendations.

Chairman Rodriguez then stated Ila Jones would explain the budget issues. He stated the Commission would then discuss each specific issue under agenda items including discussing product approval fees during product approval rule development workshop.

Ila Jones

Ms. Jones stated the 2009 Legislature did appropriate $3 million to fund the Florida Building Commission activities for the fiscal year 2009-2010. She further stated there was an immediate $350,000.00 reduction compared to the funding the Commission received last fiscal year. She explained 2.2 positions comparable to $95,000.00 had been deleted, OPS reduced by $125,000.00, and another category used to fund a BOAF contract in another appropriation category was reduced for $142,000.00 which came up to a reduction of about $350,000.00 for this year’s budget. She then stated she had provided the Commission with a Cash Analysis for the 2009/2010 budget. She then presented the report of the Cash Analysis 2009/2010 budget. (See Cash Analysis for the 2009/2010 budget)

Chairman Rodriguez asked if $800,000.00 would have to be raised through Product Approval.

Ms. Jones responded stating $800,000.00 was the hole that has to be collected. She further stated it was the $800,000.00 needed for the Commission’s budget and it did not include the fees needed to cover the administrators funding.

Commissioner Norkunas stated he was aware of the staff positions that were cut, but he wondered if there could be a sense of the Commission for raises for the staff. He further stated he knew budgeting was tough but at the end of the day it costs more to do everything. He asked the Commission to make a request because of the quality of the staff a raise would be in order.

Chairman Rodriguez stated the Commission could make the request. He then stated he believed it would sound familiar because a lot of the Commissioners run their own businesses and a lot of people were happy at present to have just retained their jobs. He further stated he knew of many businesses, not only his firm, but plenty of businesses were down to 4 day weeks with 80% pay. He continued by stating the feeling was it had taken a long time to assemble the team and the team did not want to lose members. He concluded by stating the Commission would be happy to go on record supporting the quality of work the staff had been performing.

Ms. Jones stated she appreciated the comment and the intent, but at present staff was happy to have a job and money has to be appropriated through the Legislature.

REVIEW AND UPDATE OF COMMISSION WORKPLAN

Mr. Dixon conducted a review of the updated Commission workplan. (See Updated Commission Workplan June 2009).

Mr. Dixon stated he would only be addressing changes or additions to the workplan. He stated task 49 was added and noted there was a significant incident management activity at the state led by the Department of Health on Chinese Drywall that will be transitioned fairly quickly to other agencies as soon as the health related factors were determined. He stated Chinese Drywall was causing significant problems for homes. He then stated the definitive problem was the effect of sulfur gases and possibly other acidic compounds on copper in mechanical systems and on copper wiring which raised concerns about potential fire hazards. He continued by stating there were concerns about significant building related issues and respective health issues. He further stated the Commission was the agency within the state government to look to for a determination for what would be done about the copper corrosion related problems. He stated the Commission had been put on the workplan for the incident management team along with other state agencies assigned by the governor’s office.

Mr. Dixon stated the second task added to the workplan was an expansion of an existing Energy Workgroup task. He further stated the heart of that the task was to establish a plan for how to achieve energy efficiency improvements for the Florida Building Code as required in statute and added by HB7135.

Commissioner Browdy moved approval of the updated workplan. Commissioner Tolbert entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.

CONSIDER ACCESSIBILITY WAIVER APPLICATIONS

Chairman Rodriguez directed the Commission to Leslie Anderson-Adams for consideration of the Accessibility Waiver Applications.

Commissioner Norkunas stated Rule 9B-7.003 stated a Commissioner could remove applications from the consent agenda and he requested #’s 4 and 7 be removed and considered at the end.

Ms. Adams stated due to the lack of a quorum the council made individual recommendations to the Commission as provided in Rule 9B-7.003(4).

Ms. Adams presented the waiver applications for consideration. Recommended approvals were presented in consent agenda format with conditional approvals, deferrals and denials being considered individually.

Recommendation for Approval with No Conditions:

#2 United Way of the Big Bend

Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated the council unanimously recommended approval based on the applicant’s demonstration that provision of vertical accessibility would create an economic hardship as specified in Section 553.512(1). She further stated the council noted due to the unique characteristics of the lot on which the building was situated each floor already had an accessible entrance at ground level.

#3 The Palms Hotel and Spa

Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated the council unanimously recommended approval based on the applicant’s demonstration that the provision of full vertical accessibility to the existing front entrance would create an unreasonable hardship in that it would threaten or destroy the historic significance of the building. She further stated a new alternate entrance would be provided at the site of the building and the existing lift at the front entrance would remain in place. She then stated it was also noted the new accessible site entrance would provide a safer and more pedestrian friendly way to enter the building which did not involve crossing the steeply sloped driveway of the front entrance.

#8 Island Water Sports

Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated the council unanimously recommended approval to the extent a waiver was actually necessary in that the applicant demonstrated vertical accessibility would create an unnecessary hardship because the sole use of the mezzanine would be as a storage space which falls into the category of exemption to vertical accessibility as provided in Section 553.509(2).

Commissioner Carson moved approval of the council’s recommendation for approval of the consent agenda for items 2, 3, and 8. Commissioner Kidwell entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.

Recommendation for Approval with Conditions:

# 5 New England Coast Middle School

Mr. Adams explained the petitioner’s request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated the council unanimously recommended approval based on the applicant’s demonstration that provision of vertical accessibility to all rows of the retractable bleacher system was technically infeasible and would create an unreasonable hardship. She further stated the recommendation was based on the condition that the accessible seats would not be located on the ends of any of the rows and a companion seat would be provided next to each accessible seat.

Commissioner Carson moved approval of the Council’s recommendation. Commissioner Kidwell entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.

Deferrals

#1 Muvico Theaters Cocowalk

Ms. Adams stated the application was requested for deferral by the applicant. She further stated the Council recommended the consideration of the waiver request be deferred until August 2009.

#9 Dick Brown Park

Ms. Adams stated no one was present to represent the owner/applicant and the email of diagrams was difficult, if not impossible, to be opened and could not be shared with council members. She further stated some information was unavailable regarding the location of the accessible seats and the total number of seats. She then stated for those reasons the council recommended the application be deferred until August to allow the applicant time to get more information.

Commissioner Greiner moved approval of the council’s recommendation to grant waiver. Commissioner Tolbert entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.

#6 The Urbana Retail Tenant Building

Ms. Adams stated there were individuals who wished to speak regarding the applicant.

Larry Schneider, AIA

Mr. Schneider stated he was an architect accessibility consultant brought on board for the project at the 11^th hour. He stated the waiver before the Commission was a brand new one story office building. He then stated if an “L” was laid down at the intersection of a street, the parking would be on the top of that building, as well as in the back. He continued by stating the waiver request was based on the issue of vertical accessibility to all levels. He stated under 553.512 a waiver was allowed to be granted based on the determination of unnecessary, unreasonable or extreme hardship. He then stated, in his opinion, the applicant inadvertently asked for a hardship license and under new construction there was no hardship. He further stated the request for the waiver was under unreasonable and unnecessary, not as a hardship. He continued by stating as the requirement vertical accessibility indicates shall be provided to all levels above and below the occupyable grade level for the building structure or facility. He stated this was a proposed one story retail building which has its parking located on the grade and on the roof. He then stated the site constraints to make this a viable project required the rooftop parking, which makes it an interesting anomaly. He further stated in his time dealing with the Commission this was the first time he’d ever seen an application like this come before the Commission with a waiver request. He continued by stating all of the accessible parking required for the site was 3 spaces and all 3 were on grade and all are open to the air. He stated there were eight accessible on grade of which 3 were on grade and 5 street side parking therefore there was adequate grade level parking. He then stated all accessible parking was on grade and the accessible parking was located directly by the building.

Mr. Schneider then stated when looking at the requirements of the Florida Accessibility Code and the ADA the thing he was looking at was an accessible route. He further stated an accessible route was required to connect accessible elements of the building and accessible parking spaces. He then stated federal law in Florida requires the same for both of these types of conditions and he believed their client has compliance under those requirements. He further stated under the access board Technical Bulletin #6 which asks “Must accessible parking spaces be provided in each parking lot or on each level of parking garages?” He then stated the answer posted was “no.” He then stated basically all accessible parking was provided in one area or on one level. He further stated if considering the structure of a normal parking garage the accessible parking was usually provided on the first floor on grade because of the height issues. He continued by stating the accessible parking did not need to be both on grade and on the roof because it was all allowed to be on the first floor. He stated the site was in Jacksonville Beach and on the site plan there was 2^nd Avenue North on the right and 3^rd Street North on the bottom left i.e. at an intersection. He further stated there were 10 tenant bays in a very small parking center. He then stated the shaded areas were where the parking areas were and in the center there was a dark area with a line in there which basically was the ramp going up to the building. He continued by stating at the bottom of the screen the 5 accessible parking spaces were visible on the street. He then referenced the first floor plan where the 3 accessible spaces were in the upper right hand corner and above those were the additional parking spaces. He continued by stating there was a path of travel from the accessible parking spaces between the buildings. He noted the center off to the left there was a corridor that goes through the building to the front providing total access. He then stated access was being provided, accessibility complied with, and all possible elements within the structure were going to be compliant and accessible therefore the question comes down to the 2^nd floor and the Florida specific. He then referenced a view of the roof, which was parking. He showed the 2 sets of stairs providing access down and above the center was the ramp going up to the parking. He concluded by stating the parking was located in 3 areas: rooftop, on grade, and street side parking.

Mr. Richmond asked if the original application indicated financial hardship.

Mr. Schneider responded stating yes, but that was not what his client should have been applying for. He stated the council had recommended denial based on a hardship.

Mr. Richmond asked if the council had heard his argument.

Mr. Schneider responded stating no, there had been no discussion regarding unreasonable or unnecessary.

Mr. Richmond stated he believed as a matter of deference to the council it should be sent back to them to see this argument and make a recommendation on the particular items.

Commissioner Greiner stated with due respect to the council he moved approval for deferral to send it back to the council.

Commissioner Smith entered a second to the motion.

Commissioner Browdy stated he thought it should be noted there were only three members of the council present. He further stated while he would not object to sending it back to the council, if there were only 3 members present in August he would hope it could move forward and allow the Commission to move expeditiously on it given the fact 3 members do not make a quorum.

Chairman Rodriguez stated he agreed with Commissioner Browdy but one of the reasons to send it back would be to allow the council the benefit of Mr. Schneider’s testimony.

Mr. Richmond stated the council was structured to move forward in its rules in the absence of a quorum, unlike the Commission itself they can make collective individual recommendations so the projects do not get stalled by that requirement.

Mr. Schneider stated he appreciated those comments and those were one of the reasons his client decided to bring it forward to the Commission since there was no quorum at the council.

Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.

#4 Fire Rescue Station #64

Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated the council members present recommended a waiver be granted for Florida Building Code Accessibility requirements as to the second floor fire fighters’ dormitories and restrooms to the extent that such requirements conflict with Uniform Federal Accessibility Standards (UFAS). She further stated the recommendation was based on the applicants demonstration that compliance with Florida Standards as adopted in the Florida Building Code would create an unnecessary hardship because Florida’s requirements are inconsistent with and preclude the city from designing the building in compliance with the Uniform Federal Accessibility Standards. 28CFR Section 35.151 allows public entities, Title 2 entities, to choose between compliance with either UFAS or ADAG standards to the extent that Florida adoption of ADAG standards into the Florida Building Code conflicts UFAS and becomes a Florida specific requirement the Building Commission can waive upon a showing of hardship.

#7 Winter Haven Fire Safety Complex

Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated the 2 of the council members recommended a waiver be granted of the accessibility requirements to the 2^nd floor firefighters’ dormitories and restrooms for the reasons previously explained in #4 Fire Rescue Station 64. She then stated the other council member recommended the application be deferred until the August 2009 Commission meetings to allow further research of the interplay between UFAS and the Florida Building Code requirements. She further stated all council members agreed it would be helpful to obtain additional information.

Commissioner Norkunas moved approval of denial of both #4 and #7. Commissioner Hamrick entered a second to the motion.

Chairman Rodriguez asked Ms. Adams what the recommendation from the three members of the council had been on these.

Ms. Adams responded stating for #4 Fires Station 64, the recommendation was to grant the waiver and for #7, Winter Haven Fire Safety Complex, two recommended granting the waiver ad the third recommended deferring until August 2009.

Chairman Rodriguez asked the rationale for granting the waivers.

Ms. Adams stated to the extent Florida specific Accessibility requirements prevent the public entities from designing the building in compliance with UFAS they are Florida specific requirements that can be waived. She further stated UFAS contained an exemption provision for areas of a building which houses employees who meet specific physical abilities to perform their job.

Chairman Rodriguez asked Commissioner Norkunas if he wanted to state the reasons he recommended denial.

Commissioner Norkunas stated when decisions like these are made he sends out emails to 1,200-1,800 people on mailing lists which he had developed for people with disabilities and organizations around the state over the last 19 years. He further stated the comments the Commission would hear come from scores of people who share the opinion these waivers should be denied. He then stated he notice how full the audience was at the meeting and he had not seen it so full since there was discussion of changing the wind velocity zones in the panhandle. He further stated when those individuals come forward and speak on issues such as interior design or the swimming pool issues they make an impact. He continued by stating when dealing with individuals who have ambulatory disabilities it was difficult to fill a room with individuals simply because of the difficulty in travel. He stated if the room could be filled with 15-25 individuals in wheelchairs speaking their turn it may have more of an impact on the Commission than his voice.

Commissioner Norkunas stated before the firefighters put their first foot in the door it has to be designed and inspected. He further stated an inspector with a disability would not be able to get up to the second floor. He then stated they had a very prestigious chairman of the Waiver Council, Neil Mellick, who is legally blind. He continued by stating if he were going to tell a group of people he would be designing a home and take his detailed architectural plans to a blind man for review he wondered what the response would be. He further stated Mr. Mellick’s handicap did not have any effect on his ability to do his job and be one of the most effective building officials in the state of Florida. He then stated another element which Rule 9B-7003 speaks to “the denial of a waiver should be applicable only to the project tin the request and no waiver shall stand as precedent for any other project or projects.”

He stated when he brought the argument to the waiver council their argument was they had heard the case before. He further stated when he brought them new information and there was a difference between the first fire station and the other which was no unanimous. He continued by stating no one there believed those with disabilities can be firefighters, but they could assist or support the firefighters and others who visited and used the facilities. He further stated no one he works with or argues for was maintaining they wanted equality with the firefighters, in fact that want equality of a building. He then stated when new fire stations were built in Ft. Lauderdale the old ones did not get used. He asked what was later done with those buildings: sell them, donate them, used for other city or county functions. He stated if there were no elevator there they would become unusable. He further stated the core argument was the two standards and contrary to what council mentioned there were no exceptions in UFAS. He then stated he believed counsel may have meant was UFAs has a section 4.1.4(5) dealing with fire stations and states ”the application of the Code should apply to all areas of the fire station intended for use by the public or which may result in the employment physical handicapped people…” He further stated there was no exception there or the exception was really the fact there won’t be folks with physical disabilities. He continued by stating he had tried to raise his voice many times on similar issues and he was just not as effective as he wished he was. He then stated he had brought each commissioner a letter written by the assistant attorney general. He then read several points from the letter (Please see letter dated March 24, 1999 signed by the Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division and updated on July 25, 2008.) He concluded by stating the project was a $3,500,000.00 project and the other was multi-million dollars and it would be a small percentage to put the elevator in and on the day the fire fighters no longer use the building it could be used for other facilities.

Chairman Rodriguez asked if anyone was there on behalf of the applicants.

No one was present for applicants.

Commissioner Hamrick stated he was sitting in the Council’s meeting when this came up. He further stated as Commissioner Norkunas read from the letter he began to think of all the people who could not visit a fire house. He then stated he was not sure how a fire house worked and had probably never been in one. He knew children often toured fire houses and this would automatically deny access to a child who had physical disabilities access to the second floor and the ability to tour the fire house. He stated he also thought of dignitaries who may come to opening ceremonies, open houses where public was invited and were the firefighters families invited to see where dad works. He then stated it would be denying public access to a Title 2 entity where access was supposed to be provided to all Title 2 entities.

Commissioner Franco stated he was in support of Commissioner Norkunas’ motion. He further stated he believed all new buildings no matter what its uses should have access. He then stated he wanted to point out fire fighting was a dangerous, intense profession with a great risk of the fire fighter getting hurt. He further stated if an injured fire fighter required crutches, braces or wheelchair during recovery even he would not have access to the 2^nd floor and other members of his squad.

Robert Fine

Mr. Fine stated he was speaking as a member of the public. He then stated he was not speaking in any disagreement with Commissioner Norkunas but when people apply for waivers they were told if they were approved the first day they were not required to come the second day. He further stated he comes because it was his job and he knows how the process works, but if people come unrepresented, as those fire stations did, they don’t know they could have left yesterday with recommendations for granting and then get a note in a few days stating they were denied by the Commission which could raise potential due process issues. He then stated people need to be told by staff, who acts in the best of intentions because they are small businesses and there are costs to stay over. He further stated if the people aren’t here and they get denied there could be some potential due process issues if that was what staff routinely tells people. He then stated if it were deferred or denied without prejudice until the next meeting then the applicant represent and not just be blindsided with a denial and they did not know they were supposed to be present.

Chairman Rodriguez stated he did not know who was telling people if they get yes answers they just come up because that was not the record. He further stated most of the motions at the Commission were in support of the council and this was not.

Mr. Fine stated if it weren’t so much a normal course of business where it was said virtually every time and the representatives would know they had a hearing on the 2^nd day and things had a real likelihood of changes those individuals would probably be at the meeting speaking for themselves.

Chairman Rodriguez stated the recommendations were made to the Commission and the Commission made the decision and any assumption otherwise would be unwise.

Commissioner Carson asked if the applicants were represented yesterday.

Ms. Adams responded stating there was a representative from the Fire Rescue Station #64, but not for the Winter Haven Fire Safety Complex.

Commissioner Norkunas stated he spent an inordinate amount of time after the meeting with the representative from Fire Rescue Station #64 and he was unaware of the letters from the Department of Justice, because he stated it might have made a change. He then stated the representative was informed. He further stated he presented the same argument to the representative and recommended he attend the Commission meeting.

Commissioner Greiner stated the situation had been looked at for some time. He further stated there had been a lot of fire stations approved and there had been a lot of fire stations built with and without elevators. He then stated in the interest of trying to determine what the real answer was he recommended it be deferred and send it back to the Council to let them research it and get all of the necessary data to make an intelligent decision. He stated there was obviously something in use that could go both ways and an answer which was more definitive than what has been done.

Commissioner Carson asked for an explanation of the last sentence on the overhead screen. He further stated he agreed with Commissioner Greiner because based on that sentence it would appear a deferral would be in order.

Commissioner Goodloe stated he was in support for deferral and sending it back to the Council because he had lived in fire stations as a fire fighter and can understand the arguments on both sides of the issue. He further stated there was a lot of information which would lead him to vote to deny.

Commissioner Browdy stated he had wanted to hear from Commissioner Goodloe and certainly respected his opinion. He further stated he realized the Commission never set precedent but fire stations were all typically viewed in one light and he was afraid if the decision were made precipitously it may not have the weight it deserved. He then stated he would also support a deferral in concurrence with Commissioner Greiner and Commissioner Goodloe.

Mr. Richmond stated there were basically two procedural mechanisms which could be utilized to achieve a deferral at this point. He then stated the maker of the motion and the second of the motion could withdraw the motion or accept a friendly amendment of deferral or he could table the motion until the next Commission meeting with direction to have further input from the Council at that meeting.

Commissioner Greiner asked if the Commission could vote on the current motion and not accept it and then make a new motion for deferral.

Mr. Blair stated a substitute motion could also be made simultaneously. He further stated it would be more complicated but it could be done.

Commissioner Norkunas stated he would reluctantly accept the amendment to his motion as long as the record indicated he had requested denial of the waivers. He then stated sitting around the room were some of the smartest people there were in their various fields and he had stated many times when he did not know an answer the chairman had stated he must vote. He stated to make his decision to vote when he was not sure of the answer he looked to the commissioner in that particular field of expertise for guidance. He then stated he felt the issue should be voted on by the Commission because the principal criteria required to be appointed to the Accessibility Council was to have a disability. He continued by stating it would be sent back to individuals who struggled with it the first time because they were not engineers or fire fighters. He then stated maybe another friendly amendment was in order.

Mr. Richmond stated that was the reason he had suggested tabling the current motion so it would keep the posture of denying the waiver which keeps it evident to the potential applicants.

Commissioner Norkunas stated that was fine.

Commissioner Stone moved approval to table the motion to deny until the next Commission meeting. Commissioner Schulte entered a second to the motion.

Commissioner Norkunas stated he had thought about making his motion with an exception, i.e. the applicant could go ahead and do what it would like except in the areas of the fire fighters, with the condition when it stopped being a fire station an elevator would be required. He then stated that could be 20 years down the road and no one would remember this and when they eventually left the building the people would come back before the Commission looking for a waiver and stating it was built 20 years ago and would then cost them $100,000.00. He further stated he had found no way to offer that in a motion.

Chairman Rodriguez stated he believed Commissioner Norkunas was right and unless he heard compelling testimony at the next meeting he was convinced by the evidence he had presented that it would be wise to consider the different individuals mentioned who might require the access and it was true with the scope of the project it would be a small addition. He then stated in an abundance of caution what Commissioner Norkunas graciously accepted was tabling his motion and it gives the Commission an opportunity to hear more information and hopefully have the full Council. He further stated if the applicants felt the same they would either come or not and pursue it before a full council.

Commissioner Greiner stated this would allow testimony in August with respect to pros and cons. He asked if it would allow Council to discuss it in their meeting and provide information to the Commission.

Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.

Commissioner Norkunas thanked the chairman stating his words were always comforting.

Chairman Rodriguez stated it would be two months but at that time not only would the Commission have all of the information it needed but also the information the Council might need for future applications.

Commissioner Franco stated someone had stated the applicant may remove their request. He then stated if they did remove their request he believed the Commission should still discuss the fire station issue.

Commissioner Rodriguez stated the common wisdom today would be to avoid two-story fire stations where the property allows. He further stated that was a 2^nd year design problem for his school because of the circulation issues that had to be resolved. He stated fire stations continue to be a very interesting design assignment although they were usually not huge projects.

Commissioner Franco stated the fire stations he had designed were required to be accessible.

CONSIDER APPLICATIONS FOR PRODUCT AND ENTITY APPROVAL

Chairman Rodriguez directed the Commission to Commissioner Carson for presentation of entity approvals.

Commissioner Carson stated the following entities were recommended for approval by the POC:

CER-1497 Intertek Testing Services NA Inc. - ETL/Warnock Hersey

CER-1508 Window and Door Manufacturers Association

CER-1840 FM Approvals – CER

CER-6750 Architectural Testing, Inc.

TST-1509 Intertek Testing Services NA Ltd.

TST-1987 RADCO, Inc.

TST-1999 Construction Testing Corporation

TST-2542 Terrapin Testing, Inc.

TS-T8039 Quest Consulting and Testing, Inc.

QUA-3096 CI Professional Services, Inc.