August
Education POC Minutes
Telephone Conference Call Number 1-888-808-6959,
Access Code: 1967168
In Person Attendance: Room 210L,
POC Members Present: Dick Browdy (Chair), Jon Hamrick, Ken Gregory, Herminio Gonzalez
POC Member(s) Absent: Tony Grippa
Meeting
Attendees Identified:
Suzanne Davis
Med Kopczynski Jim
Richmond
Alex Kobryn
Chris Zimmerman
Bernice Ryder-Smit
Jane Waddel
Michael Clark
Meeting was
called to order at 10:02 a.m. August 4,
2009
1. Review and approval of the August 2009 Agenda
Motion: To approve as submitted
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken
Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
2. Review and approval of June 2009 Minutes
Motion: To approve as submitted
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken
Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
3. Report on the process being used and the status of
outdated pending courses currently residing in the BCIS.
The Chair asked Cam Fentriss
to report on the status of the outdated pending courses in the BCIS.
4. Discussion on possible enhancements to the
BCIS/Education Module
Other than the enhancements
that have been discussed in previous meetings,
5. Review pending accredited courses for
recommendation to the Commission
Course: Advanced Changes
to the 2007
Provider: Plumbing
Contractor’s Association
Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS Course
Number: 364.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Code
CE 2009 Supplement To The 2007 FBC
Provider: Contractor’s
Exam School, Inc.
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number: 363.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Wind
Mitigation Methodologies Part 1 – Internet Course For Florida Contractor’s
Provider: Infinity LC
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number: 365.0
Motion: Course approved
based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the
Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
6. Review administratively approved updated advanced
courses for recommendation to Commission
The Chair asked for a Consent Motion for the
administratively approved courses listed below.
Course: Advanced FBC
Occupancy, Egress, Construction Type
Provider: Donna Kirby,
FASID
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number:
199.1
Consent
Motion: Courses approved based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content.
Motion: Ken Gregory
Second: Jon Hamrick
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced
Building Code; Residential Swimming Pools
Provider: American
Society of Landscape Architects
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number:
240.1
Consent
Motion: Courses approved based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content. NOTE: Ken Gregory abstained from voting on this course approval
as he has an interest in it.
Motion: Jon
Hamrick
Second: Herminio
Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
7. Review pending accreditor applications for recommendation
to the Commission (None pending)
None pending
8.
Education Administrator
activity report
A. Provided
administrative support for FBC Education POC June 5, 2009 meeting
B. Drafted
minutes for FBC Education POC
C. Prepared
agenda for FBC Education POC meeting on
D. Inquiries
from the public from June 5 to
27 inquiries; 6
telephone and email; 12 telephone only; 9 email only
Category of
inquirers:
1
Engineer
4
Architect
1
Building official
3
Contractor
4
Landscape Architect
5
Providers
3
Home inspectors
6
Miscellaneous (consumer, information about building inspector certification,
unidentified licensee)
Types of Inquiries:
10
Core
2
Provider questions
6
Advanced Course
1
BCIS (inactive message)
2
Building inspector certification
2
Home inspector
1
Fire code
Miscellaneous (seeking funding to cure below
grade construction water problem, posting of CE credits, code relating to roof
ventilation, construction lien law)
E. Contacted all providers
(copy to respective accreditor) with outdated and pending courses to inquire as
to status.
3 accreditation complete, pending FBC action (
16 need more information (range from October 2005
to December 2008)
19 submitted (range from November 2006 to April
2008)
Not all have yet responded (have responses on a little more than half
the courses), but of those who have, most of the courses can be removed with
explanations as follows:
12
created in error, abandoned, or replaced and could not find a way to delete
from system
1
wants information on what to do to complete application process (from May 2006)
4
accreditor unable to review (provider appears to have resubmitted course)
3
responses to be addressed
(2 provider e-mail addresses are not current)
In process of preparing a list of courses to be archived (deleted).
Recommendation to add an option to delete a course application from the system
as part of next BCIS enhancements.
F. Offered free sets of 2007
Florida Building Code to accreditors. Have orders for 5 or 6 sets. There should
be more available, BUT the Department cannot pay for shipping. Anyone
interested, please contact Cam Fentriss.
G.
Coordinated proximity and assisted in ensuring attendance for state agency
booths at 2009 Southeast Builders Conference (SEBC). Attendees included:
Division of Emergency Management, Department of Health (radon, septic tanks,
public pools, lead paint, mold, Chinese drywall, wells, mobile home park inspection),
Disaster Contractors Network, and Department of Business and Professional
Regulation. The Department of Community Affairs could not attend, but BASF
offered assistance for any questions.
The Chair asked if
there was a decrease in license applications at DBPR because of the downturn in
the economy.
Jane Waddel said
that there has been a decrease in exam takers as compared to previous years.
She further stated that some contractors are diversifying by obtaining licenses
that they normally might not go after because they didn’t have the time (E.g.,
General Contractor obtaining an Electrical Contractor license). She also said
that fewer individuals from other or neighboring states are obtaining
9.
Identify future POC member
discussion items
No
future items were identified.
10. General public comment
Jim
Richmond stated that DCA published a Notice of Change (with no hearing) in the
Florida Administrative Weekly, as a response to JAPC requesting some minor
technical changes to the language of 9B-70.002.
Med
Kopczynski stated that many current providers are using more sophisticated
technology when developing and presenting training course materials. He further
said that accreditors, like himself, checks/reviews all materials for code
accuracy. His question to the POC is, to what level of detail do POC members
want regarding the course materials they review, for ultimate
approval/disapproval. For example, for an internet course, do they want to see
the actual presentation, or the accompanying explanatory information about the
presenting materials? Also, if the POC wants to review all of the materials,
then will the course in question be considered not only reviewed for
approval/disapproval---but also audited.
Jim
Richmond stated that this issue should be discussed as an agenda item at the
October POC meeting.
Chair
Browdy stated that besides the question of the level of detail to review by the
POC, another question to consider might be, “how thorough a review is required
by the POC.” The Chair suggested that Jim Richmond research these questions and
give the POC some guidance regarding the overall requirements of a POC review
of course materials.
Chair
Browdy announced that he will not be able to attend the FBC Plenary session next
week and asked Commissioner Jon Hamrick to handle the reporting of the August
POC minutes to the full commission.
Commissioner Hamrick agreed to do so.
11. Summary and review of
meeting work products/action items, assignments, and next steps
The Chair issued no other work
assignments.
Adjourn (Adjourned at
Motion: To
adjourn
Motion: Jon
Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved Unanimously
The Education
POC considered and recommends the following:
The
following new courses are recommended for approval:
Course: Advanced
Changes to the 2007
Provider: Plumbing
Contractor’s Association
Accreditor: Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS Course
Number: 364.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Code
CE 2009 Supplement To The 2007 FBC
Provider: Contractor’s
Exam School, Inc.
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number: 363.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Wind
Mitigation Methodologies Part 1 – Internet Course For Florida Contractor’s
Provider: Infinity LC
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number: 365.0
Motion: Course
approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy
of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
The following
courses are recommended for administrative approval:
Course: Advanced FBC
Occupancy, Egress, Construction Type
Provider: Donna Kirby,
FASID
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number:
199.1
Consent
Motion: Courses approved based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content.
Motion: Ken Gregory
Second: Jon Hamrick
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced
Building Code; Residential Swimming Pools
Provider: American
Society of Landscape Architects
Accreditor: BCIC LLC
BCIS Course
Number:
240.1
Consent
Motion: Courses approved based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content. NOTE: Ken Gregory recused himself from this particular course’s
approval
Motion: Jon
Hamrick
Second: Herminio
Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
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