Florida
Building Commission
SWIMMING
POOL
Technical
Advisory Committee
Minutes
Teleconference/Webinar
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Florida
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Committee
Members |
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Members:
All present: Chairman; Kenneth
Gregory, Thomas Allen, Jordan Clarkson, Bill Dumbaugh, Dale Greiner, John
O’Connor, Mark Pabst, Gordan Shephardson,
Bob Vincent, John J. Wahler, Corky Williams |
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Objective - To review and provide comments to the
workshop regarding proposed changes as per Rule 61G20-1.001 and other
business for the Commission. |
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Meeting
Agenda |
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Objective |
Review of objectives included
the following: Description of issue, discussion by
Commission, public comment, Commission action |
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1) |
Welcome
and Opening of the First Meeting of the Swimming Pool TAC, Roll Call: All
members present Review
and Approval of Meeting Agenda: Dale Greiner made the motion to approve
agenda and Thomas Allen seconded the motion with all in favor. |
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2) |
Staff
provided background regarding the upcoming workshop on Rule 61G20-1.001 and
then after that the |
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No other Commission business |
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No public Comment |
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No member Comment |
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6) |
Staff will schedule next
meeting |
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7) |
Motion to adjourn at 10:28A.M. by
Thomas Allen and Jordan Clarkson seconded the motion with all in favor. |
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Staff
Contacts: Chip
Sellers, chip.sellers@dbpr.state.fl.us, (850) 922-6864; Mo
Madani, mo.madani@dbpr.state.fl.us
Teleconference Process
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Note: This document is available to any person requiring materials in
alternate format upon request. Contact
the Department of Business and Professional Regulation, 2555 Shumard Oak Boulevard, Tallahassee, Florida 32399-2100 or
call 850-487-1824.
Attachment:
NEEDED
2010 FLORIDA BUILDING CODE FIXES - OTHER: RULE 61G20 - 1.001
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RATIONALE |
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Florida Building Code,
Building |
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Chapter 4 - Special Detailed Requirements Based on Use and Occupancy |
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SP1 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9. Turnover time for a water slide
plunge pool is 3 hours in FBC 424.1 and 2 hours in 64E-9, FAC. 424.1.9.2.6.1 Recirculation rate. The
recirculation-filtration system of water slides shall recirculate and filter
a water volume equal to the total water volume of the facility in a period of
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The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules |
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Staff Comment – Glitch COMMISSION action (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment – (7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
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SP2 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9. Very small spas are allowed to be
constructed without pH adjustment feeders in 424.1.6.5.16.3, but not in
64E-9007(16)(c), FAC. 424.1.6.5.16.3 Feeders for PH adjustment. Feeders for PH
adjustment shall be provided on all pools |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with State rules |
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Staff Comment – Glitch COMMISSION action-(6/12/2012)–
– deferred for review and consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment -(7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
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Comments
Submitted during the Workshop 6/12/2012 |
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SP3 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9 424.1.6.5.10.2 Outlets shall be covered by a secured
grating which requires the use of a tool to remove and whose open area is
such that the maximum velocity of water passing through the openings does not
exceed 11/2 feet per second (457 mm/s) at 100 percent of the design
recirculation flow. Main drain covers/grates shall comply with the
requirements of ASME/ANSI A112.19.8-2007,
or any successor standard, and the water velocity of this section. Match Statute at s. 514.0315, FS- Could
name it the new std: APSP/ANSI Std. 16-2011 COMMISSION action - (6/12/2012)– – deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment
-(7/24/2012)–Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP4 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9 424.1.6.5.12 Cleaning system. A portable or plumbed in
vacuum cleaning system shall be provided. All vacuum pumps shall be equipped
with hair and lint strainers. When the system is plumbed in, the vacuum
fittings shall be located to allow cleaning the pool with a 50-foot (15240
mm) maximum length of hose. Vacuum fittings shall be mounted COMMISSION action -(6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment -(7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
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SP5 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9 424.1.7.8 Lighting. Wading pools are exempt
from underwater lighting requirements but shall have overhead lighting
installed for night use COMMISSION action –(6/12/2012)–
deferred for review and consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment – (7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
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SP6 |
Changes requested by DOH
for Consistency with Rule 64E-9 Add
to code as 424.1.7.9 to match Chapter 64E-9.009(9), FAC 424.1.7.9 Automated Oxidation
Reduction Potential (ORP) and pH controllers with sensing probes shall be
provided to assist in maintaining proper disinfection and pH levels. COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment
–(7/24/2012)– Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP7 |
Changes requested by DOH
for Consistency with Rule 64E-9 Add
to code as 424.1.2.3.5 to match Chapter 64E-9.008(7), FAC 424.1.2.3.5 Rules and regulations
signage. Rules and regulations for bathers shall be posted in minimum 1 inch
letters which must be legible from the pool deck, and shall contain the
following: 1.
No food or beverages in pool or on pool wet deck. 2.
No glass or animals in the fenced pool area (or 50 feet from unfenced pool). 3.
Bathing load: ___ persons. 4.
Pool hours: __ a.m. to __ p.m. 5.
Shower before entering. 6. Pools of 200 square feet in
area or greater without an approved diving well configuration shall have “NO
DIVING”, in four inch letters included with the above listed pool rules. 7. Do not swallow the pool water.
This statement shall be added to signs at pools that conduct
modifications as that term is defined. COMMISSION action –(6/12/2012)–
deferred for review and consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment – (7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP8 |
Changes requested by DOH
for Consistency with Rule 64E-9 Add
to code as 424.1.3.3.1 - 6 to match Chapter 64E-9.008(2 - 6 & 10), FAC 424.1.3.3
Safety. 424.1.3.3.1
All swimming pools shall be provided with a shepherd’
s hook securely attached to a one piece pole not less than 16 feet in
length, and at least one 18 inch diameter lifesaving ring with sufficient rope
attached to reach all parts of the pool from the pool deck. Safety equipment
shall be mounted in a conspicuous place and be readily available for use.
Pools greater than 50 feet in length shall have multiple units with at least
one shepherd’ s hook and one lifesaving ring
located along each of the longer sides of the pools. Spa pools under 200 square feet of surface area, and
interactive water features or wading pools with two feet or less of water
depth are exempt from this requirement. 424.1.3.3.2
All pools with a slope transition shall have a safety line as required by
424.1.10.1.3. The safety line shall be in place at all times unless a
lifeguard or instructor is present. 424.1.3.3.3
Pool covers and solar blankets shall only be used during times when the pool
is closed. Unless the pool cover or solar blanket is secured around the
entire perimeter and is designed to support a live load of an adult person,
the pool area shall be inaccessible to unauthorized individuals during times
of cover or blanket use. 424.1.3.3.4
Chemicals shall be stored in a cool, dry, and well
ventilated area under a roof and the area shall be inaccessible to the
public. Chemicals which emit corrosive fumes shall not be stored in the
equipment room. Empty chemical containers shall be stored and disposed of in
such a manner that they are not accessible to the public. 424.1.3.3.5
Swimming pool slides shall be installed in accordance with manufacturer’s
specifications and sound engineering practice. Pools with slides designed for
swimming pools are not required to satisfy those of slide plunge pools in
424.1.9.2.1. 424.1.3.3.6
Floating and climb-on devices, objects or toys that are not a part of the
approved pool design shall not be tethered in the pool or installed without
engineering modification application and department’s approval.\ COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment -(7/24/2012)– Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP9 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9 Add to code
as 424.1.6.5.17 to match Chapter 64E-9.007(17), FAC 424.1.6.5.17 Water features such as waterfalls or fountains in pools
may use up to 20% of the return water from the filter system, however all
waters used in the feature shall not be counted toward attaining the designed
turnover rate. Return piping system shall be designed and capable of handling
the additional feature flow when the feature is turned off. Features that
require more than 20% of the flow rate shall be supplied by an additional
pump that drafts from a suitable collector tank. All water features that
utilize water from the pool shall be designed to return the water to the
pool. Spray features mounted in the pool deck shall be flush with the pool
deck and shall be designed with the safety of the pool patron in mind. COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment – (7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP10 |
Changes requested by DOH
for Consistency with Rule 64E-9 Add to code as 424.1.6.5.18
to match Chapter 64E-9.004(1)(d) 424.1.6.5.18 Chemical
quality – Chemicals used in controlling the quality of the pool water shall
be tested and approved using the National Sanitation Foundation (NSF-ANSI)
Standard 60-2005, Drinking Water Treatment Chemicals-Health Effects dated
September, 2005, which is incorporated by reference and shall be compatible
with other accepted chemicals used in pools. The following parameters shall
be adhered to for pool water treatment: 1. pH – 7.2 to 7.8. 2.
Disinfection – Free chlorine residual shall be 1 milligram per liter (mg/L)
to 10 mg/L, inclusive, in conventional swimming pools and 2 mg/L to 10 mg/L,
inclusive, in all other type pools such as spa-type pools and interactive
water fountains; bromine residual shall be 1.5 mg/L to 10 mg/L, inclusive, in
conventional swimming pools and 3 mg/L to 10 mg/L, inclusive, in all other
type pools. Except that, the following maximum disinfectant levels shall
apply to indoor conventional swimming pools: 5 mg/L free chlorine or 6 mg/L
bromine. 3.
When oxidation-reduction potential controllers are required, the water
potential shall be kept between 700 and 850 millivolts. Use of these units
does not negate the manual daily testing requirement of subsection 64E-9.004(13),
F.A.C. 4.
Cyanuric acid – 100 mg/L maximum in pools, with 40
mg/L as the recommended maximum, and 40 mg/L maximum in spa pools 5.
Quaternary ammonium – 5 mg/L maximum 6.
Copper – 1 mg/L maximum 7. Silver – 0.1 mg/L maximum COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment – (7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP11 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9 Add to code
as 424.1.8.12 - 15 to match Chapter 64E-9.010(13-16), FAC 424.1.8.12 Automated Controllers –
Automated Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP) and pH controllers with sensing
probes shall be provided on spa pools to assist in maintaining proper
disinfection and pH levels. 424.1.8.13 In addition to the
requirements of 424.1.2.3.5 spa pool signs shall include the following: 1. Maximum water
temperature 104º F. 2. Children under twelve
must have adult supervision. 3. Pregnant women, small
children, people with health problems and people using alcohol, narcotics or
other drugs that cause drowsiness should not use spa pools without first
consulting a doctor. 4. Maximum use 15 minutes. 424.1.8.14 A clock shall be
visible from the spa pool to assist the patron in meeting the requirement of
424.1.8.13 4. above. 424.1.8.15 If a spa is equipped
with an emergency cut-off or kill switch, provisions for a minimum 80 decibel
audible alarm near the spa to sound continuously until deactivated when such
device is triggered shall be incorporated. This is to alert pool patrons and
operators of a potential public health situation or to indicate that the spa
filtration and treatment system may be off. The following additional rule
sign shall be visible by the spa which reads “ALARM INDICATES SPA PUMPS OFF.
DO NOT USE SPA WHEN ALARM SOUNDS UNTIL ADVISED OTHERWISE.” COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment -(7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP12 |
424.1.9.8.3 Chemical
feeders shall be in accordance with Section 424.1.6.5; except that the
disinfection feeder shall be capable of feeding 12 ppm of free chlorine to
the filter return piping (based upon a hypothetica130- minute turnover of the
contained volume within the system). Automated Oxidation Reduction
Potential (ORP) and pH controllers with sensing probes shall be provided to
assist in maintaining proper disinfection and pH levels. Match Chapter 64E-9.011(8)(c), FAC COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment
–(7/24/2012)– Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP13 |
Add to code
as 424.1.9.3.7 to match Chapter 64E-9.011(3)(g) In
addition to the requirements of 424.1.2.3.5, all water activity pool signs
shall have the following added in one inch letters: Do
not swallow the pool water, it is recirculated. Do
not use pool if you are ill with diarrhea. COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment -(7/24/2012)– –
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP14 |
Add to code
as 424.1.9.8.13 to match Chapter 64E-9.011(8)(j) In
addition to the requirements of 424.1.2.3.5, all IWF pool rule signs shall
have the following added in one inch letters: Do
not swallow the fountain water, it is recirculated. Do not use fountain if you are ill with diarrhea. COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment -(7/24/2012)– –
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |
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SP15 |
Changes requested by DOH for
Consistency with Rule 64E-9 Currently at 424.1.1 "Department" means
Department of Health. Suggest changing this to: "Department" means the
jurisdictional Building Department Or, could delete each code statement where the Department
must approve a deviation. 424.1.2.1 Pool structure. Pools shall be constructed of
concrete or other impervious and structurally rigid material. All pools shall
be watertight, free from structural cracks and shall have a nontoxic smooth
and slip-resistant finish. All materials shall be installed in accordance
with manufacturer's specifications unless such specifications violate Chapter
64E-9, Florida Administrative Code, rule requirements or the approval
criteria of NSF/ANSI Standard 50 or NSF/ANSI Standard 60. … (b) One-inch (25 mm) square
tile may be used if the licensed contractor provides a signed written
certification to the approving department engineer that
the adhesive used on the one-inch (25 mm) square tile has a manufacturer's
tested shear strength of at least 250 psi (1724 kPa)
and the manufacturer has specified the adhesive for use underwater to adhere
the type of tile used [vitreous (glass) or ceramic]. 424.1.4.2.3 Underwater lighting. Underwater lighting shall
utilize transformers and low-voltage circuits with each underwater light
being grounded. The maximum voltage for each light shall be 15 volts and the
maximum incandescent lamp size shall be 300 watts. The location of the
underwater lights shall be such that the underwater illumination is as uniform
as possible and shall not be less than 18 inches (457 mm) below the normal
operating water level determined by the center-line of the skimmer or top lip
of the gutter. All underwater lights which depend upon submersion for safe
operation shall have protection from overheating when not submerged.
Underwater lighting requirements can be waived when the overhead lighting
provides at least 15 footcandles (150 lux) of
illumination at the pool water surface and pool wet deck surface. Alternative
lighting systems which use 15 volts or less, or use no electricity in the
pool or on the pool deck, such as LED (light emitting diode) fiber-optic
systems, may be utilized if the applicant demonstrates to reasonable
certainty that the system development has advanced to the point where
the department is convinced that the pool illumination is equal to
the requirements in Sections 424.1.4.2.1 and 424.1.4.2.2 above. 424.1.6.5.3.1 Perimeter overflow gutters. The lip of the
gutter shall be uniformly level with a maximum tolerance of 1/4 inch (6 mm)
between the high and low areas. The bottom of the gutter shall be level or
slope to the drains. The spacing between drains shall not exceed 10 feet
(3048 mm) for 2-inch (51 mm) drains or 15 feet (4572 mm) for 21/2-inch (64
mm) drains, unless hydraulically justified by the design engineer. Gutters
may be eliminated along pool edges for no more than 15 feet (4572 mm) and
this shall not exceed 10 percent of the perimeter (at least 90 percent of the
perimeter shall be guttered). In areas where gutters are eliminated,
handholds shall be provided within 9 inches (229 mm) of the water surface.
Handhold design shall be approved by the department prior
to construction. 424.1.6.5.14 Heaters. Pool heaters shall comply with
nationally recognized standards acceptable to the department and
to the design engineer. Pools equipped with heaters shall have a fixed
thermometer mounted in the pool recirculation line downstream from the heater
outlet. Thermometers mounted on heater outlets do not meet this requirement.
A sketch of any proposed heater installation including valves, thermometer,
pipe sizes, and material specifications shall be included in the application
for permit prior to installation. Piping and influent, effluent and bypass
valves which allow isolation or removal of the heater from the system shall
be provided. Materials used in solar and other heaters shall be nontoxic and
acceptable for use with potable water. Heaters shall not prevent the
attainment of the required turnover rate. 424.1.6.5.16.6 Ultraviolet (UV) light disinfectant
equipment may be used as supplemental water treatment on public pools (and
additional treatment on IWF's) subject to the conditions of this paragraph
and manufacturer's specifications. UV is encouraged to be used to eliminate
or reduce chlorine-resistant pathogens, especially the protozoan
Cryptosporidium. 1.
UV equipment and
electrical components and wiring shall comply with the requirements of the
National Electrical Code and the manufacturer shall provide a certification
of conformance to the department. 424.1.7.2 Depths. Wading pools shall have a maximum of 2
feet (610 mm). The depth at the perimeter of the pool shall be uniform and
shall not exceed 12 inches (305 mm). However, where department-approved
zero depth entry designs are used, this uniform depth requirement must be met
only on the remainder of the pool outside the zero depth entry portion. The
pool floor shall not be more than 12 inches (305 mm) below the deck unless
steps and handrails are provided. Depth and "NO DIVING" markers are
not required on wading pools. 424.1.9.2.1.3.1 The slide flume terminus shall be designed
by the design engineer who can demonstrate to the department's
satisfaction that riders will be adequately slowed prior to discharge
so as to prevent injury or harm to the rider upon impact with the plunge pool
water. The slide terminus shall be flush with the pool wall and located at or
below the pool water level. 424.1.9.3.1 Water activity pools shall be designed and
constructed within the limits of sound engineering practice. The design
engineer may consult with the department prior to preparation and
submission of engineering plans and specifications for water activity pools. 424.1.9.5.4 The maximum water depth of the river ride
shall not exceed 3 feet (914 mm) unless justified to the department's satisfaction
by the design engineer. 424.1.9.8.2 An automatic skimmer system shall be provided
in the collector tank. A variable height skimmer may be used or a custom
surface skimmer device may be substituted if deemed appropriate by both the
design engineer and the department. COMMISSION action – (6/12/2012)– deferred for review and
consideration by the Swimming Pool TAC ------------------------------------------------- TAC Comment -(7/24/2012)–
Glitch Vote – 9-2 (Approved) |
The proposed code change is within glitch criteria
permitted for inconsistencies with state rules. |