Product
Approval / Manufactured Buildings
Program Oversight Committee (POC)
MINUTES
August
17th 2008 - 9.00 a.m. -
Naples Grand Hotel
475 Seagate Dr |
Product Approval POC Attendees: Ed Carson- Chair, Herminio Gonzalez, Chris Schulte, Do Kim and Paul Kidwell. Staff present: Azhar Khan. Ted Berman, Product Approval Administrator was also present.
There was a quorum.
1. Agenda was approved as presented. Minor changes were made to the June 23rd 2008 Minutes as follows:
List of Changes:
If any report or installation instructions
refer to compliance with the 2001 or 2004 FBC, is the “Affirmation” acceptable.
b) Staff Recommendation:
The committee voted to defer it to the
Structural TAC to the review of equivalency between ASTM
1300-02 and ASTM E 1300-04 and to recommend to the commission to open the rule
specifically for sections pertaining to the equivalency of standards.
2. Product Approval Program Issues
A. Product Approval and Entities Statistics Report.
Staff presented the current entities and product statistics from inception of
the program.
B. Consideration for opening Rule 9B-72 for changes
The Staff informed the Committee and members of the public of a workshop on this issue to be scheduled for the October meeting.
C. Product Approval Administrator’s Performance survey
Staff presented to the Committee the Survey Results. Staff does not have to disclose the survey respondents’ emails to the administrator.
D. Revocation Items – FL 8207
The Committee voted to recommend FL 8207 for revocation for lack of QA.
E. Validator Complaint.
The Administrator discussed the severity of the validator issue but decided to follow the precedent by issuing them a warning letter.
F. Height of Rollup – Shutters
Staff informed the committee about the discussion item on the Structural TAC agenda regarding height of Rollup shutters. The issue initially originated from an inquiry into FL 7320. Commissioner Kim requested for more information from the test lab.
3. Declaratory Statements
A. DCA08-DEC-201 by Michael Schultz, P.E. for Buckeye
Technologies
QUESTION:
Does Buckeye UltraFiber 500 fall within the
scope of Rule 9B-72 for a Florida Product Approval?
ANSWER:
No, since the product in question is assembled and placed in the field, the product is outside the scope of Rule 9B-72. However, the product is subject to approval by the local authority having jurisdiction.
B. DCA08-DEC-168 by Len Terry, President for Omnicrete
Development, Inc.
QUESTION:
Is Omnicrete exempt from the process to
apply for a Florida Product Approval?
The Committee deferred it to the October meeting as more information is required by the POC
C. DCA08-DEC-204 by Robert Jamieson, General Manager
for Underwriter’s Laboratories
QUESTION 1:
The final checkbox on the Administration
Validation Checklist that states “… the Certification documentation submitted
with this application indicates that the product, method, or system or
construction described in this application meets or exceeds the Florida
Building Code requirements and reference standards listed in the application”
is intended for validation entity to validate to the Commission product
compliance only with the test standards referenced in the Florida Building Code
and is not intended to include the full scope of the Florida Building Code?
ANSWER:
The validation entity is required to validate applications within the scope of the application. In this case, if the application is using a certification mark or listing indicating compliance with the standard adopted by the Code, the validation entity is responsible to validate to the Florida Building Commission that the standard listed on the product certificate complies with the test standard referenced in the Code and the full structural scope of the Code.
QUESTION 2:
Please confirm that the Florida
Building Commission is willing to accept “Administrative Validation Checklist”
submittals from UL in which Check Box #12 is checked recognizing that Check Box
#12 is not applicable to “Administrative Validation Checklist” submittals from
UL
ANSWER:
This is to confirm that, if an application for product approval using the certification method of compliance does not use rational analysis or evaluation report and the installation instructions are as tested, the checkbox 12 of the Administrative Validation checklist from UL is not applicable for the application.
D. DCA08-DEC-212 by Jason Padgett, Millwork Information
and Training
The discussion was postponed as more information is needed by staff for analysis. The Committee voted to defer the Declaratory Statement to the October meeting.
4.
Ted Berman & Associates Report
A.
Review product approval and entity applications
Products as listed in the report were approved under consent.
The following entities were approved:
|
CER 1498 |
American Architectural
Manufacturers Association |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
CER 1663 |
PSI/Pittsburgh Testing Laboratory |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
CER 1739 |
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
CER 2512 |
APA - The Engineered Wood
Association |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 1589 |
National Certified Testing
Laboratories, Inc. |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 1679 |
PFS Corporation |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 1740 |
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 2411 |
ETC Laboratories |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 2542 |
Terrapin Testing, Inc. |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
QUA 1988 |
PSI/Pittsburgh Testing Laboratory |
Product Quality
Assurance |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
QUA 2521 |
APA - The Engineered Wood
Association |
Product Quality
Assurance |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
QUA 3096 |
CI Professional Services, Inc. |
Product Quality
Assurance |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
B. Product Approval Applications with Comments.
Applications with comments were discussed and approved, conditionally approved, deferred and denied as listed in the final report.
5. Complaint sent by Colleen Simon – Sparrow Homes
Colleen Simon presented her issue to the Committee. The Committee voted to conduct an investigation on the product FL 8843.
6. Adjourn
The Committee adjourned at 11.43 a.m.
Actions needed by the Commission:
Product
Approval POC:
1. The Committee
recommends the products listed in Administrator's report be approved, deferred,
conditionally approved or denied as per voted on by the Committee.
2. The Committee recommends FL 8207 for revocation.
3. The Committee recommends that the
Commission conduct an investigation on FL 8843.
4. The Committee recommends the following entities for approval:
|
CER 1498 |
American Architectural
Manufacturers Association |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
CER 1663 |
PSI/Pittsburgh Testing Laboratory |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
CER 1739 |
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
CER 2512 |
APA - The Engineered Wood
Association |
Product Certification
Agency |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 1589 |
National Certified Testing
Laboratories, Inc. |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 1679 |
PFS Corporation |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 1740 |
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 2411 |
ETC Laboratories |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
TST 2542 |
Terrapin Testing, Inc. |
Product Testing
Laboratory |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
QUA 1988 |
PSI/Pittsburgh Testing Laboratory |
Product Quality
Assurance |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
QUA 2521 |
APA - The Engineered Wood
Association |
Product Quality
Assurance |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |
|
QUA 3096 |
CI Professional Services, Inc. |
Product Quality
Assurance |
Recommend Approval |
Revision |