Florida
Building Commission
September
2011 Education POC Meeting Minutes
Telephone Conference Call Number 1-888-808-6959,
Access Code: 1967168
In Person Attendance: Room 250L, 2555 Shumard Oak Boulevard, Tallahassee,
Florida
September 27, 2011
POC Members Present: Dick Browdy (Chair), Jon Hamrick, Herminio Gonzalez, Jeff
Stone, Ken Gregory
POC Member(s) Absent: Scott Mollan, Drew Smith
Meeting Attendees Identified:
Ila Jones Michael Clark
Med Kopczynski Bernice Ryder-Smit
Cam Fentriss Leslie Anderson-Adams
David Shaw
Meeting was called to order at 10:02 a.m. ET,
September 27, 2011
1.
Review
and approval of the September 2011 Agenda
Motion: To approve as submitted
Motion: Ken Gregory
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
2.
Review
and approval of July 2011 Minutes
Motion: To approve as submitted
Motion: Ken Gregory
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
3.
Review
pending accreditor applications for recommendation to the Commission
None Pending
4.
Review
pending advanced accredited courses for recommendation to the Commission
Course: Advanced Building Code
Plumbing-Section F
Provider: American Society of Landscape
Architects Florida Chapter
Accreditor:
BCIC LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 466.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced 2010 FBC Significant Code
Changes
Provider: BCIC LLC
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 474.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced 2010 FBC Significant Code
Changes - Online
Provider: BCIC LLC
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 477.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Building Code Structural
Summary
Provider: Coast Software, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 478.0
Motion: Course approval based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content is deferred, based on specific required changes, until the December
2011 FBC meeting. However, if those identified changes are made to the
materials and those materials are subsequently reviewed and recommended for
approval by Commissioner Jon Hamrick, then the course may be recommended for
approval at the October, 2011 FBC meeting..
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Florida Advanced Building Code
Provider: 360training.com, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 479.0
Motion: Course approval based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content is deferred, based on specific required changes, until the December
2011 FBC meeting. However, if those identified changes are made to the
materials and those materials are subsequently reviewed and recommended for
approval by Commissioner Jon Hamrick, then the course may be recommended for
approval at the October, 2011 FBC meeting.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: FBC Advanced Module: 2010 Updates
Provider: Florida Pool and Spa Association
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 480.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: FBC Advanced Module Energy Efficiency
Regulations For Pools and Spas
Provider: Florida Pool and Spa Association
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 481.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced (ADV) Field Marking
Electrical Equipment, Internet
Provider: JADE Learning
Accreditor:
BCIC LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 484.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: An Overview of the 2010 Florida Building
Code, Building Volume
Provider: Titan Continuing Education, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 488.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: An Overview of the 2010 Florida
Building Code, Building Volume – Live Seminar
Provider: Titan Continuing Education, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 489.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Florida Accessibility Code – Application
and Administration
Provider: codeaccess
Accreditor:
JDB Code Services,
Inc.
BCIS
Course Number: 487.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminil Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
5.
Review
administratively approved updated courses for recommendation to Commission
The Chair asked for a Consent Motion for the
administratively approved course listed below.
Course: Florida Building Code Advanced
Training: Residential
Provider: Florida Pool & Spa Association
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 220.2
Consent Motion: Courses approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved Unanimously
6.
Review self affirmed updated courses for recommendation to the
Commission
None Pending
7.
Review/discuss
Rule 9B-70.002 (3) (f) (g) F.A.C., regarding the various types of course
approvals, specifically focusing on the “no changes” and “affirmation of
revision…” categories.
The Chair
stated that agenda item’s 7 and 8, would be discussed together. He recommended
that the POC address item 8 first, then discuss item 7. Item 8 was the
Education Administrator’s report. The Chair asked Cam Fentriss to give said
report.
Cam stated
that training courses noted in the report are currently being counted
differently because some of those courses are outdated, yet still reside in the
BCIS.
On another
subject, Cam said that two mechanisms found in paragraphs (3)(f) and (g) of the
rule (categories of course status) were developed to help training providers
with the overall approval process of some of their courses, specifically to
reduce the amount of time for certain types of approvals, and to reduce the
cost of some of the course approvals. The two categories are called, “reviewed,
no change”, and “self-affirmation.” The specific rule language explaining both
of these is listed in the Education Administrator’s report.
Cam stated
that a concern regarding the “reviewed, no change” category is that when this
occurs, in reality the FBC is not approving the course, which raises the issue
of satisfying the statute requirements in courses and subsequent approval of
those courses by certain licensing boards. Extending this reality, technically
if some DBPR boards look at this part of the process closely, they could reject
these courses because they do not have FBC approval. The risks of this mechanism may be more
troublesome when there is a new code version.
Med
Kopczynski stated that he agreed this could be an issue and that it was his
experience that some providers were using this mechanism with old courses
incorrectly, in that the code had indeed changed.
The Chair
stated that he believed that self-affirmed courses were sanctioned by the FBC.
Cam Fentriss
agreed stating that self-affirmed courses were administratively approved,
reviewed by the POC, and subsequently approved by the FBC. Cam further stated
that POC (in rule) has an audit mechanism to randomly check the limited changes
allowed for self-affirmed courses. She also said that she thought that most
providers are actually creating new courses, instead of updating existing
courses with the 2010 code.
Bernice
Ryder-Smit stated that she sees all three possibilities: the need for new
courses developed, existing courses being updated, and no change needed,
depending on the scope of the course.
Cam stated
that the self-affirmation designation works well for one change in the
materials (even if the one change happens multiple times), so maybe within the
confines of self-affirmation, a new category could be identified for no changes
to the course to ensure any course change has the opportunity to be
administratively approved and ratified by the FBC.
The Chair
agreed stating that the self-affirmation designation is applicable in a new
code cycle, again…for one change.
Commissioner
Gregory stated that the POC definitely needs to address this issue at the next
meeting.
Cam Fentriss
stated that she will develop some draft language regarding these issues, to
present at the next meeting. She further stated that the point of this proposal
is to augment the current language, not divest from it.
The Chair
agreed and stated that this conversation will continue at the November meeting.
Cam asked
that if any providers or accreditors had any suggestions for this draft
language, to please send it to her for inclusion and consideration.
8.
Education
Administrator activity report:
A. Provided administrative support for FBC Education POC for July
27, 2011 meeting
B. Drafted minutes for FBC Education POC July 27, 2011 meeting
C. Prepared agenda for FBC Education POC meeting on September 27,
2011
D.
Inquiries from the public July 18, 2011 to September 20, 2011 as follows:
11 inquiries: 1 telephone; 5 email; 5 telephone and email
Category
of inquirers:
7 Provider 1 Accreditor 1 Contractor
1 Building Official 1 Consumer
Types of
Inquiries:
1 Core course
7 Provider questions (course renewal, update, submission deadline,
BCIS options)
1 Accreditor question (course renewal)
1 Consumer (energy courses)
1 Construction Lien Law
E. FBC
Education POC Agenda Item 7 for review and discussion of two course
update/modification mechanisms commonly known as “reviewed, no change” or
“self-affirmed” for updating or making a technical change to a course.
The purpose of these provisions is to allow providers an
opportunity to save time and steps in keeping approved courses active and
current as to the current version of the Florida Building Code. The intent of
the FBC Education POC is that these provisions be used in good faith and for
their intended purpose only.
QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:
1. Does
the “reviewed, no change” provision in rule 9B-70.002(3)(f), F.A.C., meet
requirements of chapters 468 (part XII), 471, 481, or 489, Florida Statutes,
and any related administrative rules, for courses to be "approved by the
Florida Building Commission?" (Please see specific provisions from these
laws and rules reprinted below.)
2. Do all
interested parties understand that the “reviewed, no change” tool does not
include any approval by the Florida Building Commission (instead, relying on
the word of the provider, maintaining the course as active)?
3. Do all
interested parties understand that, at any given time, a licensure board with a
requirement of “approved by the Florida Building Commission” may refuse to
accept codes courses that have been “updated” using the “reviewed, no change”
tool? (This is most likely to happen for a course that has expired or will
expire at the board level.)
4. If any
board does deny a course that has been “updated” through the use of the
“reviewed, no change” tool, what is the remedy for the provider?
RECOMMENDATION:
Providers may want to use the “self-affirmation” tool in rule 9B-70.002(3)(g),
F.A.C., instead as this mechanism requires administrative approval then
ratification by the Florida Building Commission. This will not result in delay
of course approval.
ARCHITECTS
61G1-24.001 Continuing Education for Architects.
(1) Each architect in Florida shall be required to reestablish the
architect’s professional knowledge and competency in conformity with this rule
by the completion of 20 contact hours of continuing professional education per
biennium. This requirement shall be met through either:
(a) Programs approved by the Board, provided that a minimum of two
(2) of the 20 required contact hours must be obtained by completing an approved
provider’s specialized or advanced course, approved by the Florida
Building Commission, on the Florida Building Code, relating to the
architect’s respective area of practice; or
(b) Submission of proof of compliance with the continuing education
requirements of another state in which the architect is licensed, provided that
the requirements of the other state equal or exceed the completion of 20
contact hours in a two year period, be that the education build upon the basic
knowledge of architecture, and require that a minimum of two (2) of the 20
required contact hours be obtained by completing an approved provider’s
specialized or advanced course, approved by the Florida Building
Commission, on the Florida Building Code, relating to the architect’s
respective area of practice.
INTERIOR
DESIGNERS
61G1-21.001 Continuing Education for Interior Designers.
(1) Each interior designer in Florida shall be required to
reestablish the interior designer’s professional knowledge and competency in conformity
with this rule by the completion of 20 contact hours of continuing professional
education per biennium. This requirement shall be met through either:
(a) Programs approved by the Board, provided that a minimum of two
(2) of the 20 required contact hours must be obtained by completing an approved
provider’s specialized or advanced course, approved by the Florida
Building Commission, on the Florida Building Code, relating to the
interior designer’s respective area of practice; or
(b) Submission of proof of compliance with the continuing
education requirements of another state in which the interior designer is
licensed, provided that the requirements of the other state equal or exceed the
completion of 20 contact hours in a two year period, be that the education
build upon the basic knowledge of interior design, and require that a minimum
of two (2) of the 20 required contact hours be obtained by completing an
approved provider’s specialized or advanced course, approved by the
Florida Building Commission, on the Florida Building Code, relating to
the interior designer’s respective area of practice.
CONSTRUCTION
CONTRACTORS
489.115 Certification and registration; endorsement; reciprocity;
renewals; continuing education.—
(4)(b)2.In addition, the board may approve specialized continuing
education courses on compliance with the wind resistance provisions for one and
two family dwellings contained in the Florida Building Code and any alternate
methodologies for providing such wind resistance which have been approved
for use by the Florida Building Commission. Division I
certificateholders or registrants who demonstrate proficiency upon completion
of such specialized courses may certify plans and specifications for one and
two family dwellings to be in compliance with the code or alternate
methodologies, as appropriate, except for dwellings located in floodways or
coastal hazard areas as defined in ss. 60.3D and E of the National Flood
Insurance Program.
3.The board shall require, by rule adopted pursuant to ss.
120.536(1) and 120.54, a specified number of hours in specialized or advanced
module courses, approved by the Florida Building Commission, on
any portion of the Florida Building Code, adopted pursuant to part IV of
chapter 553, relating to the contractor’s respective discipline.
ELECTRICAL
CONTRACTORS
489.517 Renewal of certificate or registration; continuing
education.—
(6)The board shall require, by rule adopted pursuant to ss.
120.536(1) and 120.54, a specialized number of hours in specialized or advanced
module courses, approved by the Florida Building Commission, on
any portion of the Florida Building Code, adopted pursuant to part IV of
chapter 553, relating to the contractor’s respective discipline.
2 “REVIEWED, NO CHANGE”
9B-70.002
(3)(f)
On or before the effective date of changes to the Florida Building Code,
providers shall either designate on the Building Code Information System at
www.floridabuilding.org that the course is not affected by the code changes or
update the existing accredited courses affected by the code changes and submit
for accreditation. If the course is not affected by the code changes, the
course’s status shall remain active. The code version that initiated the update
and reaccreditation process must be noted on the application. Accreditation of
revisions to approved accredited courses shall be accomplished in the same
manner as described in paragraphs (a) through (f) hereof, except that only the
revision submitted shall be subject to review and these courses shall be
approved by the administrator of the education program subject to ratification
by the Florida Building Commission.
EXPLANATIONS/NOTES:
--
This mechanism is used when there are changes to the Florida Building Code
--
When the Florida Building Code changes, ALL approved courses must be “accessed”
and either designated “reviewed, no change” or updated
--
“Reviewed, no change” means the course stays active
--
A course updated must be accredited, administratively approved, and ratified by
the FBC as to the changes only (it is important to specify the changes made)
--
Failure to designate “reviewed, no change” or update a course (i.e. leaving it
as is on the BCIS) means the course will expire on the effective date of the
new Florida Building Code
“SELF-AFFIRMED”
9B-70.002
(3)(g)
If an approved accredited course requires revision to correct or update a
reference, table, diagram, or quoted provision of code, law, or administrative
rule, the training provider may submit the revised course and complete Form FBC-ED-002,
effective September 10, 2010, adopted herein by reference and available from
the Building Code Information System at www.floridabuilding.org. The training
provider must list the exact change, the specific location of the change, and
reason for the change in the course and affirm this is the only change. The
changes to the course shall be approved by the administrator of the education
program subject to ratification by the Florida Building Commission.
EXPLANATIONS/NOTES:
--
This mechanism is used when there is ONE “technical” correction or update
needed (which may or may not be when there are changes to the Florida Building
Code)
--
The purpose of this tool is to correct or update ONE reference, table, diagram,
or quote (i.e. not several or a long list of these – updating and accreditation
is the appropriate tool for multiple changes)
--
This tool may be used for correction or update of ONE reference, table,
diagram, or quote in multiple places in a course
--
The provider must list the exact change, specific location(s) of change, and
reason for change (ex: mistake in original course, correction in FBC) and must
affirm this is the only change
--
A course self-affirmed must be administratively approved and ratified by the
FBC as to the correction or update
F. As of
August 21, 2011, we have 198 training providers* and 12 accreditors
As of
August 21, 2011, we have 340 approved courses (some are likely obsolete)
*Increase
in this number (from 112 in November, 2010 may be, in part, based on how counted
(system or manually)
9.
Identify future POC member discussion items
No discussion
items/topics were recommended.
10.
General public comment
No public
comment was offered.
11.
Summary and review of meeting work products/action items, assignments, and next
steps
No new
assignments were handed out.
Adjourn (Adjourned at 10:40 am.)
Motion: To adjourn
Motion: Ken Gregory
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
The Education POC considered and recommends the
following:
The following new courses are recommended for approval:
Course: Advanced Building Code
Plumbing-Section F
Provider: American Society of Landscape
Architects Florida Chapter
Accreditor:
BCIC LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 466.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced 2010 FBC Significant Code
Changes
Provider: BCIC LLC
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 474.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved Unanimously
Course: Advanced 2010 FBC Significant Code
Changes - Online
Provider: BCIC LLC
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 477.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Building Code Structural
Summary
Provider: Coast Software, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 478.0
Motion: Course approval based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content is deferred, based on specific required changes, until the December
2011 FBC meeting. However, if those identified changes are made to the materials
and those materials are subsequently reviewed and recommended for approval by
Commissioner Jon Hamrick, then the course may be recommended for approval at
the October, 2011 FBC meeting..
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Florida Advanced Building Code
Provider: 360training.com, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 479.0
Motion: Course approval based on the FBC accreditation
process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related
content is deferred, based on specific required changes, until the December
2011 FBC meeting. However, if those identified changes are made to the
materials and those materials are subsequently reviewed and recommended for
approval by Commissioner Jon Hamrick, then the course may be recommended for
approval at the October, 2011 FBC meeting..
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: FBC Advanced Module: 2010 Updates
Provider: Florida Pool and Spa Association
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 480.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: FBC Advanced Module Energy Efficiency
Regulations For Pools and Spas
Provider: Florida Pool and Spa Association
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 481.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced (ADV) Field Marking
Electrical Equipment, Internet
Provider: JADE Learning
Accreditor:
BCIC LLC
BCIS
Course Number: 484.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Ken Gregory
Approved
Unanimously
Course: An Overview of the 2010 Florida
Building Code, Building Volume
Provider: Titan Continuing Education, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 488.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: An Overview of the 2010 Florida
Building Code, Building Volume – Live Seminar
Provider: Titan Continuing Education, Inc.
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 489.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
Course: Advanced Florida Accessibility Code –
Application and Administration
Provider: codeaccess
Accreditor:
JDB Code Services,
Inc.
BCIS
Course Number: 487.0
Motion: Course approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Second: Herminio Gonzalez
Approved
Unanimously
The
following administratively approved updated course is recommended for approval:
Course: Florida Building Code Advanced
Training: Residential
Provider: Florida Pool & Spa Association
Accreditor:
Bill Dumbaugh
BCIS
Course Number: 220.2
Consent Motion: Courses approved based on the FBC accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building Code related content.
Motion: Jon Hamrick
Approved Unanimously
Note: This
document is available in alternate formats upon request to the Department of
Community Affairs, Codes and Standards, 255 Shumard Oak Blvd., Tallahassee, Fl.
32399, (850) 487-1824.